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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] iron pentacarbonyl
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 17:36:26 -0400
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I always love the back of the envelope calculation thought experiments.


In the post-presentation slides of my Howard Fawcett award address in Atlanta, I did one of these assessing why electric car fires (Tesla, specifically) are so difficult to put out. If you do the calculation, the batteries in a Tesla have one fifth the energy per unit volume compared to a gasoline car but can take 40,000 gallons of water and weeks to extinguish.

https://dchas.org/2021/08/24/fall-2021-national-meeting-technical-presentations/ 

It's a bad design, if you want the punchline. The bunch of essentially AA batteries (cylindrical cells packed together = lots of wasted space) sealed in epoxy, so they are waterproof, however, they provide their own oxygen source once the temperature hits about 180 °C.

Rob Toreki

PS:  Even though the electric car has 1/5 the energy density of a gasoline car, the efficiency difference is so great that it doesn't matter that much in terms of practical range. Electric cars use regenerative braking, don't generate a lot of wasted heat, and their motors have only a handful of moving parts. As a result, most electric cars get efficiencies equivalent to 130 mpg or more!  https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/what-is-mpge/  


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On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:08 AM, James Kaufman <jkaufman**At_Symbol_Here**LABSAFETYINSTITUTE.ORG> wrote:

With regard to Ralph's second point and 50ml of flammable solvent.  Consider it this way ...

One gallon (about 4,000 ml) of gasoline has enough energy to send a 3,000 lb car with 1,000 lbs of passengers 20-30 miles.  

But the internal combustion engine is only 20% efficient.  If the car could use 100% of the energy, it and the passengers could go 100-150 miles.

But since we only have 50ml (about 1%, if 40 ml), the 4,000 pounds of car and people go about 1-1.5 miles.

Imagine what happens if it detonates and all the energy is released at once (just 50 ml)!  ... Jim

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On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 8:19 AM Ralph Stuart <ralph**At_Symbol_Here**rstuartcih.org> wrote:
> >Explosion proof has two meanings when applied to a hood.

I have had two specific experiences that were impacted by this confusion:

1. I had a call from a lab tech who was concerned because they had an explosion in a standard fume hood and the projectiles had cracked the sash. Replacing the sash would going to cost most than $1000. They wanted an assurance that the replacement wouldn't crack if the same explosion happened again. My response was "How big an explosion are you planning on having in the fume hood?". There was no response when they realized that an explosion was not part of their work plan…

2. We had an explosion in a household style refrigerator on another campus. This laboratory had left isopentane in the refrigerator over night to cool down for use the next day. The isopentane leaked into the cooling compartment and when the thermostat flipped on, the resulting spark triggered the explosion. We learned in discussions with the lab tech, the amount of isopentane likely to have leaked was less than 50 ml. But the amount of energy when the solvent ignited in a sealed container was enough to destroy the refrigerator, scatter lab debris across the lab, and pop out all the ceiling tiles in the room. Fortunately, there was no one in the room when the explosion occurred. The point is that there is a lot more energy in small amounts of solvents than people using these chemicals as reagents recognize.

- Ralph

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