Date: February 17, 2010
3:23:57 PM EST
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] 2 Re:
[DCHAS-L] Lab Coat Options
Danielle,
You're right, this is an HR thing. We've all
seen it before. Some people in the workplace want to cause some
kind of consternation, many times with this kind of passive-aggressive
acting out with some "unsolvable problem" to watch other people to go
through a lot of trouble to somehow figure out solutions for them - only
so they can reject them all just to keep the drama going. And you
and our DCHAS colleagues certainly did due diligence and went through a
lot of trouble to find reasonable solutions.
This kind of situation can happen to any of us.
Please include the epilogue at the conclusion of this drama so
that we know how HR finally chose to deal with this. This should
be interesting.
Thanks,
Eric
Clark, MS, CCHO, CHMM
Safety & Compliance Officer
LRN-C Chemical Terrorism Coordinator
Los Angeles County Public Health Laboratory
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Date: February 17, 2010
3:36:09 PM EST
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] 2 Re:
[DCHAS-L] Lab Coat Options
I worked with one person who thought it was too hot if
it were over 60 deg. F in the room, however he would wear his PPE,
including lab coat and even his respirator when working. Others I have worked with
could always find some reason not to wear PPE: too hot, couldn't see well
with goggles on, safety glasses made them dizzy, only open toed shoes
were comfortable, had no closed toed shoes that went with this
particular outfit.
Similarly, a safer process to accomplish the same task was too
laborious and boring. There's always a reason isn't there? And I do not think signing
a waiver is necessarily appropriate, because I believe you can not
compel anyone to sign away their right to sue. You may think someone
would take responsibility for their own bad and unsafe actions, but when
it comes down to an incident that results in harm, and there is money
involved, don't count on that being the case.
That
being said, don't be surprised if the non-compliant person (who seems to
think he/she has cause) does not come back at you if you try to let them
go or reassign them for this non-compliance, especially if this person
has been doing it his way without incident for 10+ years.
Lucy
Dillman
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Date: February 17, 2010 2:19:10 PM
EST
Subject: RE: [DCHAS-L] 2 Re:
[DCHAS-L] Lab Coat Options
Also if
the company doesn=92t want to take a stand on enforcing company safety
policy, see if they would agree to have the employee sign a waiver,
stating that he chooses not to wear any safety equipment (gloves, safety
glasses, lab coat, etc) which would relieve the company from any
liability if he was to be injured at work because he didn=92t have on
the appropriate safety attire.
Thanks
Anton Jones
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Date: February 17, 2010 2:32:02 PM
EST
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] 2 Re:
[DCHAS-L] Lab Coat Options
If you
want some fun, invite your the corporate attorney and insurance carrier
representative to the meeting as well.
Rob
Toreki
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Date: February 17, 2010
2:45:17 PM EST
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] 2 Re:
[DCHAS-L] Lab Coat Options
You're
worried about a lab coat but you let them wear safety glasses in lieu of
goggles??
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From:
Douglas Cody <Douglas.Cody**At_Symbol_Here**ncc.edu>
div>
Date: February 17, 2010 3:04:49 PM
EST
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] 2 Re:
[DCHAS-L] Lab Coat Options
This
individual should not be allowed to continue to work if he wishes to be
noncompliant.
Douglas S. Cody, MS, MA, CSP, CSHM
Past Chair NYSUT H&S Task Force
Professor
Chemistry Department
Nassau Community College - S.U.N.Y.
One Education Drive
Garden City, New York 11530-6793
Phone:(516) 572-7986 / Fax:(516) 572-7708
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From: Andrew Gross <gross.drew**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com>
div>
Date: February 17, 2010 3:06:54 PM
EST
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Lab
Coat Options
I'm
curious, what is the nature of his work? I think a lot of us
are
throwing out opinions
(myself included) without actually knowing the
full story.
For all we know he can be sitting at a computer doing
chemical
modeling and the request for
PPE is absurd. On the flipside, he can
be playing with HF and pyrophorics, where in that case
perhaps he
should be allowed to work
without PPE under the laws of survival of
the fittest.
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