From: McGrath Edward J <Edward.McGrath**At_Symbol_Here**REDCLAY.K12.DE.US>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] [External] Re: [DCHAS-L] New Video Series | ACS Matters | August 18, 2020
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 16:20:13 +0000
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Jim, this reminds me of one of our middle schools in which the science classrooms were divided into a lab area (with tables, sinks, eyewash/safety shower,and the like) and the other half is classwork,  with projection equipment, student desks, etc.  

All of our science classes are equipped with chemical splash goggles (indirectly vented) rated for impact, so they can be used for most activities,  certainly in middle school. 

One of our teachers was facilitating a class discussion about safety,  specifically about when the goggles are needed.  After puzzling through a variety of scenarios,  one 7th grader pointed at the lab and said, "why not say if we're working back there, we have to have our goggles on?"

Amazing some of the common sense kids can have!

Eddie McGrath 



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From: James Kaufman <jim**At_Symbol_Here**LABSAFETY.ORG>
Date: 8/22/20 10:59 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU
Subject: [External] Re: [DCHAS-L] New Video Series | ACS Matters | August 18, 2020

 

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And ... one SDS for Molasses says "safety glasses or goggles are appropriate eye protection".

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On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:31 PM ILPI Support <info**At_Symbol_Here**ilpi.com> wrote:
Just to be clear: OSHA does NOT require an SDS for a material that, after performing the required hazard classification, is found to be non-hazardous.  See the SDS FAQ at http://ilpi.com/msds/faq/partb.html#nonhazardous and the links therein for a short discussion.

Just to stir the pot, there is something to be said in the molasses discussion about universal precautions, the shortcomings of risk assessments, and reinforcing safety habits.  But I'll let someone else say it (wink).

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On Aug 21, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Kolodziej, Christopher <ckolodziej**At_Symbol_Here**EHS.UCLA.EDU> wrote:

As has been mentioned before, context matters. Perhaps, as Marta's colleague said, there was a better thumbnail that would have conveyed how engaging this video series is without prompting safety questions when removed from the context of the presentation.
 
As for the idea that safety glasses are warranted when pouring molasses from a glass beaker, I'm going to have to disagree. While the SDS for molasses that John shared does call for eye and hand protection, Section 2 of that document states that molasses is non-hazardous. Manufacturers that recommend PPE for handling non-hazardous substances may be motivated more by liability fears than by reasoned risk assessments. And, while I can't claim that Jim's scenario is impossible, it doesn't seem any more likely than getting glass in one's eye while washing dishes after dinner.
 
Chris
 
 
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