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Regarding surgical masks. OSHA does consider surgical masks PPE as physical barriers against splash.
https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3219.pdf
I'm going to guess that home-made masks are not considered PPE because they are not commercially available products that have been tested to a standard.
Thank you,
Yaritza Brinker
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Bumping this request for feedback on the use of cloth masks in laboratory spaces. Please limit the replies to best practices for laboratory use of cloth masks and not whether public use is or isn't justified.
My personal opinion is that a lab is very different from a public space and deserves additional consideration. The ventilation is better but there are also additional hazards which probably present a more likely exposure and risk than an
asymptomatic labmate.
FYI - OSHA released a guidance document on preparing workplaces for COVID19 https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3990.pdf
Thought provoking questions
OSHA says
surgical masks are a physical barrier. Physical barriers are considered engineering controls. A face shield is also a barrier but it's considered PPE. Is it considered PPE because the individual has to wear it and provides them protection as opposed to
a source barrier? If a cloth mask is a physical barrier providing source isolation where does it rank in effectiveness? Is it an engineering control, PPE or something less effective than PPE?
OSHA's enforcement guidance says cloth masks are not ppe. emphasis added.
Using homemade masks or improvised mouth and nose covers only, as a last resort (i.e., when no respirators or facemasks are available). Improvised masks are not personal protective equipment and, ideally, should be used with a face shield to cover the front and sides of the face. When this measure is the only resort, refer to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidance at www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/ppe-strategy/face-masks.html.
For those of you whose institutions have decided to require cloth masks in lab spaces what best practices are you recommending?
If you are not using masks in the labs are you discouraging talking as another means of source control? See
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-38808-z
On an encouraging note, this recent
NEJM letter showed an impressive reduction of particles generated during speech while wearing a damp cloth cover in a
video clip. Thoughts on why a damp mask was used? Would a dry cover have had the same result?
Or are cloth masks in a lab no big deal and now just a part of our standard attire like a shirt?
It would be helpful if AIHA or ACS could release a statement on the use of cloth masks in laboratories.
Looking forward to your comments,
Anna
On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 12:16 PM LaCroix, Steve (DOH) <Steve.LaCroix**At_Symbol_Here**doh.wa.gov> wrote:
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Of course they don't stop the aerosol. Can't imagine anyone with brains would think a piece of cloth could do this. If it could, we could dump NIOSH certification and buy babushkas. Instead, the DIY masks:
1) reduce exposure of others round you to the big stuff you generate.
2) keep most of the big droplets from landing on surfaces to contaminate others,
3) help remind you, or even prevent you, from touching your nose and mouth,
4) provide a feeling you and those around you are at least doing something, and
5) remind you to stay the hell away from others by 6 feet or more.
The countries that wear masks do better in the numbers game. And it is not from the efficacy of the mask to capture the aerosol.
Monona
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Good morning,
What is the latest about wearing cloth mask while doing lab work? Does anyone know of a good article? Pros and cons.
Regards, yamy
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:27 AM, Stuart, Ralph
> In fact, just compiling a list of coronavirus-related issues that should be addressed would be valuable.
>
I'll throw one in: An issue I am concerned about in regard to reopening any public area is the cloth mask protocol. Cloth masks are community health measures rather than personal safety measures, so I would be reluctant to impose OSHA style expectations on the use of cloth masks by the public. On the other hand, I can imagine that these masks are likely to become reservoirs for many contaminants beyond the Covid virus.
I think that we face a major challenge in maintaining the quality of the cloth masks if we ask people to wear them in public areas while relying on the wearers to maintain them. I suspect that professional laundry services will be required to assure co-workers and the community that the masks are being appropriately cleaned.
A related question is: Are labs public areas? Few academic labs I have seen have security protocols that control who enters them and it will take a significant change in both protocol and culture in change this situation.
Thanks for asking an interesting question.
- Ralph
Ralph Stuart, CIH, CCHO
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Keene State College
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