No wonder I'm so smart. At my age, I've done every stupid thing at least twice and I know. Monona
From: Peter Zavon <pzavon**At_Symbol_Here**ROCHESTER.RR.COM>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Sent: Mon, Apr 15, 2019 10:02 am
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemicals on passenger elevators/ Common sense beyond regulations
You have to have burned your finger, seen the effects on someone who has, or at least put your finger _very_ close to something very hot and considered the heat, before you will really take as common sense that you should not hold your finger in the flame of a gas stove..
Peter Zavon, CIH
Penfield, NY
PZAVON**At_Symbol_Here**Rochester.rr.com
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From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Roger McClellan
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 11:24 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemicals on passenger elevators/ Common sense beyond regulations
To all:
It is important for us all to remember the important role of using common sense.. Common sense was around long before formal governance and regulations. Common sense should always xxxxx regulations! I learned this lesson long before I began my career in science more than 60 years ago. I am concerned that so many of my colleagues seem to be afraid to make decisions based on common sense and spend huge amounts of time looking for a regulation to support a particular action. I urge them to be bold and use common sense in decision making. If your superiors or other alleged "senior Scientists" at your institution will not support you then I suggest you start looking for a new employer. Regulations are important and must be adhered to , however, they should not be a substitute for using common sense.
Best regards to all for helping create a safe work place.
Roger O. McClellan
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On Sun, 4/14/19, DCHAS Membership Chair <membership**At_Symbol_Here**DCHAS.ORG> wrote:
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemicals on passenger elevators
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Date: Sunday, April 14, 2019, 6:04 AM
> There certainly should be a
lot of rules in place not to have the public sharing the
elevator with large shipments of liquid chemicals such as
those planned for transport within a particular public
building I'm thinking of.
According to the DCHAS-L archives at
http://www.ilpi.com/dchas/
there are two major threads related to
transportation of chemicals on elevators, one related to
liquid nitrogen the other to hazardous chemicals in general.
The topic also came up in a discussion of laboratory design
issues. The discussion revolved around best practices and
practical considerations, rather than regulatory
requirements.
I suspect
that the fire code is the most likely place to find
authoritative guidance on this topic and I don't
remember seeing a discussion of this specific issue in any
of the fire codes that I have looked at. Perhaps the
Authority Having Jurisdiction for a specific building would
be worth consulting?
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Ralph
Ralph Stuart, CIH,
CCHO
membership**At_Symbol_Here**dchas.org
Membership chair
American Chemical Society
Division of Chemical Health and Safety
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