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I don't know what part of the sentence originating this discussion I apparently didn't understand, because it said:
having students in the chemistry classroom/laboratory
who can not read or write.
"Audio, smaudio learners. If there is a container on the counter labeled "hydrofluoric acid," I want the student able to *** read.
I think all students should get some theater training where you have to look realistically at your strong and weak points and figure out what you actually can damn do. The criticism and personal assessment is brutal, but constructive. As soon as I realized my legs were bowed, I knew not to try our for the Ballet. But leading ladies in opera get to wear long skirts. Bingo. I became an adult.
And then there is the audience. You can either impress them or you can't. There's no accommodation out there for you. Put your daughters (and sons) on the stage, Mrs. Worthington.
Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President: Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012 212-777-0062
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From: Kennedy, Sheila <s1kennedy**At_Symbol_Here**UCSD.EDU>
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There's more than one way to teach and to learn.
Some people are primarily audio learners. If they know this & they're smart, they read aloud to themselves.
This student is restricted from reading (vision impairment?) but can learn by listening. Those concerned with making sure students have access to class materials
(the instructor) and to safety instruction & data need to make sure that the mechanism they put in place (the reader/assist.) is doing a good job..
The point of ADA accommodations is to make it possible for a student with a disability to participate in the class to the fullest extent possible, within the
constraints of the course intent. A lab student needs to be able to do lab work (take measurements, make judgements, manipulate equipment), but it=E2=80™s not necessary to stand for 3 hours to do so. Providing a chair (or other furnishings/adaptive tools) to do
things a little differently is a reasonable accommodation. Allowing a student to watch a video demonstration instead of doing lab work would not be within the course intent.
SMK
Sheila M. Kennedy, C.H.O.
Safety Coordinator | Teaching Laboratories
Chemistry & Biochemistry |University of California, San Diego
9500 Gilman Dr. | La Jolla, CA 92093-0303
(858) 534 - 0221 | MC 0303 | YORK HALL 3150
From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
On Behalf Of Monona Rossol
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 10:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] FW: Assistance in the classroom
Well, I don't know about students, but if you can't read the safety data sheets and labels as an employee, you can't work with hazardous chemicals. Workers not only
have to have hazcom training, they need to show proof of comprehension.
The more I hear of this ADA stuff, the more I think things have gotten seriously out of hand.
Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President: Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012 212-777-0062
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Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2018 12:32 pm
Subject: [DCHAS-L] FW: Assistance in the classroom
From: Gmurczyk, Marta
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: FW: Assistance in the classroom
Dear All:
I would appreciate very much you reading the question below and sharing your perspective. ACS does not have any guidelines related to the situation described in the message, but I promised to ask the safety community in case you may have any wisdom to share.
I will compile your responses (but will make sure to remove the names) and forward them to correspondent.
Very many thanks for any help you might be able to provide.
Marta Gmurczyk
Dear Dr. Gmurczyk,
I received the ACS document "Undergraduate Professional Education in Chemistry" yesterday. I truly appreciate you sending this.
Granted that in the short time I have it, I have only taken a cursory look, but I am wondering if you can more directly put me in the direction of guidelines/laws/ regulations/ best practices with regard to having students in the chemistry classroom/laboratory
who can not read or write. I am very concerned for a situation in which I am presently involved as the instructor.
There is an aid (a student not enrolled in the class) in the lab to assist this student "read the lab sheets" but I believe that there is a safety concern in that if the aid does not read all, or at least the pertinent safety components, other students, in
addition to the disabled student, will be at risk. I have specifically read section 4.5, as you recommended, and I am wondering if my institution (or me) has an obligation to "train" the aid I mentioned above.
Any additional guidance you can provide would be so greatly appreciated.
Ralph Stuart, CIH, CCHO
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American Chemical Society
Division of Chemical Health and Safety
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