From: Debbie M. Decker <dmdecker**At_Symbol_Here**UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] How It's Made
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 00:20:21 +0000
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I use excerpts from a Mythbusters video to introduce the RAMP concept and the risks of scale-up to freshmen/sophomores who are intending to do an undergraduate research project. It's been well-received and I'll probably use it with graduate students at some point.

Thanks for the link to the "fire challenge." I had no idea this was a "thing." Frightening.

Debbie

Debbie M. Decker, CCHO, ACS Fellow
Past Chair, Division of Chemical Health and Safety
Councilor and Programming Co-Chair
University of California, Davis
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Birkett's hypothesis: "Any chemical reaction
that proceeds smoothly under normal conditions,
can proceed violently in the presence of an idiot."

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From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety On Behalf Of Stuart, Ralph
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:47 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] How It's Made

>I was wondering if there would be interest among us to send a petition to the show encouraging them to add a comment to such segments addressing that scale-up itself is more involved than, say, multiply by 1000 and go.

I agree that bringing this concern to the producers of the show is a worthwhile effort, but we can also use these segments to start a discussion with students about the potential challenges associated with the scale up process. I believe that students are more likely to think through the challenges if we leverage something they are familiar with to start the conversation. For example, I used excerpts from a Mythbusters episode on whether HF is really the best way to dispose of bodies on Breaking Bad (it isn't) to start a HF safety training session.

Along these lines, one of today's headlines that especially caught my eye is "Viral 'fire challenge' leaves 12-year-old Detroit girl severely burned: ‰??(She) looked like a fireball‰??" from http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-detroit-fire-challenge-burn-injury-20180821-story.html

The Youtube fire challenge videos mentioned in the article appear to me to be another teachable moment, both in terms of flammable liquids safety and the experience of burn victims, which Sammye did such a good job of bringing to our attention at Tuesday's symposium. I hope the EHS community can make good use of such moments wherever they appear.

- Ralph


Ralph Stuart, CIH, CCHO
Environmental Safety Manager
Keene State College
603 358-2859

ralph.stuart**At_Symbol_Here**keene.edu

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