From: K Roy <safesci**At_Symbol_Here**sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] NSTA Safety Blog: Safer Breakerspaces
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 13:53:11 +0000
Reply-To: K Roy <safesci**At_Symbol_Here**SBCGLOBAL.NET>
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Dear Ms. Rossol - First - thank you for reading the Safer Breakerspace commentary shared on the DCHAS-L e-mail list and the time you took to make your professional review comments.  I can appreciate your concerns about most of which I share.   For example, I recently contributed and did a professional review of an article in the ITEEA Technology and Engineering Teacher (Volume 77, Issue 5 - February 2018) titled "Safety Spotlight: Safer Soldering Guidelines and Instructional Resources."  It can be found at:  https://www.iteea.org/Publications/Journals/TET/TETFeb18/SaferSoldering.aspx.   It specifically addresses the ventilation guidelines and legal standards relative to soldering activities to which you refer.

Hopefully you understand that a commentary like the Safer Breakersapce one is basically to raise teachers' levels of safety awareness and is limited in space size-wise.  It would have been great to have been able to do a full professional publication as you suggest this is with the multitude of applicable OSHA standards and much more.  But again, that is not the purpose or scope of the commentary.

Having said that, we certainly welcome comments and can in fact update the commentary with additional (though limited) information or response statements.  If you want to send me an updated list of specific safety issues and resulting actions to help address them, I will see what we can do.  My email address is: safesci**At_Symbol_Here**sbcglobal.net.

Again, as I am sure you know, addressing safety is an ongoing battle which we need to keep working on but can't meet all needs in one dose.

Sending this response on to actsnyc**At_Symbol_Here**cs.com<mailto:actsnyc**At_Symbol_Here**cs.com.

Appreciate all of your comments.

Sincerely,

Dr. Roy

Kenneth R. Roy, Ph.D.
Chief Safety Compliance Adviser
National Science Teachers Association (NSTA);
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On Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:15 PM, Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU> wrote:


I can't believe the naivete of this publication.  One of the bullet points is:

• Do not use metal and plastic toys and electronic equipment containing lead, cadmium, mercury, arsenic, bromine, and PVC plastic.

And how, pray tell, are they going to do that?   There are still Chinese and US electronics manufacturers using lead solders today.  But in the past, they all were lead and most had sources of cadmium, mercury and arsenic in them as well. And Canada just recently published warnings about toys and jewelry for children imported from China made of almost pure cadmium metal!

And do you really think these kids will be ripping up and rewiring all brand new lead-free electronics made to the EU standards?  Come on!  They are getting old gaming toys and other electronics and re-working the motherboards. I have seen electronics from the 50s, 60s and 70s in these breaker spaces.  And who the hell is testing anything before they "desolder" (with heat) this would-be-should-be-trash?

A school I dealt with last year was using lead solder because they said it needed to be "compatible" with the old lead solder on these game boards. And there was NO Lead Standard Program there. 

NO BREAKER SPACE SHOULD BE SET UP WITHOUT EXHAUST VENTILATION SOLDERING/DESOLDERING STATIONS AND THE APPLICABLE OSHA PROGRAMS.  And the person in control the projects should be trained to use lead lead test kits and have access to other testing..  And, since the teacher or instructor and the janitors cleaning this room are "employees," the employer is required to have written OSHA (or state OSHA) Lead and Cadmium Standard Programs for these employees and do periodic monitoring.

When I see these rooms set up with no exhaust ventilation and posted warnings, I KNOW the school's administrators, teachers, and EH&S are just looking the other way.

I'm going to send this on to safesci**At_Symbol_Here**sbcglobal.net,  I'm irked in the extreme.


Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F..A., Industrial Hygienist
President:  Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012     212-777-0062

 


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Subject: [DCHAS-L] NSTA Safety Blog: Safer Breakerspaces

This blog post reviews PPE, Safety training, Supervision and Assess hazards and determine risks of materials and equipment associated with Breakerspaces

- Ralph

http://nstacommunities.org/blog/2018/03/23/safer-breakerspaces/

Safer Breakerspaces

Breakerspaces are areas where students demolish, repurpose, fix, or disassemble appliances, electronics, toys, and other devices to learn how they work, what components were used to create them, and how they were designed. Like any type of construction or demolition work, safety preparation is absolutely critical. When preparing a breakerspace activity, teachers should consider the following safety guidelines.

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