Based on a recent conversation with a veteran who has a VERY small service dog, with all the appropriate training and documentation, I can tell you that they come in all sizes based in part on what kind of service they perform. In law, I was told, only dogs and miniature horses can qualify as service animals that MUST be admitted with the owner to public spaces. Even though some kinds of monkeys are also trained as service animals, they are not called out in law as having blanket admission with their owners.

This veteran noted that service animals are well trained to be quiet and calm unless they need to make a commotion to perform their service. An animal that is jumping around, etc., not being quietly attentive, in not likely to be a true service animal. Emotional support animals are not trained to that level and may not be trained at all.

Earlier in this tread it was suggested that part of the process of dealing with service animals should be to learn what sort of service they provide. Based on that information you may be able to suggest, and the owner may agree, to "park" them in a nearby location while doing lab work.

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I've seen the service dogs and they are not miniatures. To have them in lab can only occupy space so they would need to be counted as one body in the lab and thus reduce the lab enrollment by one student. I think I would tell a student who wanted to have a service horse to change majors. There is no room in an academic lab for an animal that size.

What next - a service elephant??

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OK, I have to give in. I had never heard of "service horses" prior to this post and was surprised by what I found upon looking.. How can you, or do you accommodate in a lab?

BruceV

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What no peacocks?

On 2/6/2018 2:18 PM, Debbie M. Decker wrote:

I don't try to distinguish between emotional support animals and service animals. The only animals I have to accommodate are those which are described in the campus Policy and in California Law - dogs and small horses (if you want to see something so cute your head will explode, google "service horses"). Other critters are not permitted in the lab and I have the law on my side there. Thankfully, no one's asked!

Housing is a whole other story!

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Strongly agree - but these are becoming more and more frequent and depending upon certain administrations, there may be need for some delicate and tactful ways of addressing. (We currently have a "rabbit" in our dorms, but were able to not have to deal with it in the science building by framing the initial questions. Thus, no angry student or parent or administrators to deal with, and no having to sight the specific regulations that say we don't have to deal with it.)

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On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Patricia Redden <predden**At_Symbol_Here**saintpeters.edu> wrote:

Just as a note - "emotional support animals" do not have any access rights and so should not be allowed under any circumstances.

Pat Redden

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 1:01 PM, Frankie Wood-Black <fwoodblack90**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com> wrote:

One thing to remember is that you have to be careful how you ask the questions. There have been some issues about how you have the discussion. We take the following approach, 1) ask what tasks the dog is trained for - i.e. is it a pick up dog or an alert type - this will help you establish safety measures that need to be considered. 2) You can also ask, how does the dog alert - this may bring up other potential hazards and mitigations, and finally, you can require the same level of protection for the dog as you do the human.

Having these discussions have eliminated some of the "emotional support" animals, because the student's don't want to address these questions.

We utilized the UC Davis guidelines as our starting point.

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