From: NEAL LANGERMAN <neal**At_Symbol_Here**CHEMICAL-SAFETY.COM>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] 'Large fireball' injures students in chemistry experiment gone wrong
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:28:43 -0800
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Peter:

 

Some may, but they are the ones who would not act anyway. As Jim points out, there have been a few large settlements already, yet the mayhem goes on.

 

History has shown that litigation is a more powerful incentive to change behavior than regulation.

 

A different course is to (somehow) motivate the 150,000 ACS members to reach out to their local school boards, alert them to the problem and hand them the ACS/CCS Rainbow Experiment document.

 

Neal

 

 

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From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Reinhardt, Peter
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] 'Large fireball' injures students in chemistry experiment gone wrong

 

If that happens, I fear that the School Boards won't improve safety-they'll just eliminate science labs instead. 


On Nov 24, 2017, at 6:09 PM, NEAL LANGERMAN <neal**At_Symbol_Here**CHEMICAL-SAFETY.COM> wrote:

A few multi-million dollar settlements will get the schools attention.

 

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017, 12:32 Funck, Steven <sfunck**At_Symbol_Here**messiah.edu> wrote:

 

Like everyone else I am at a loss as to why the warnings about the Rainbow demo do not seem to get to folks who need to here it. All I can do is on an individual bases. Any meeting I attend, professional, safety related, whatever I ask that anyone who knows  middle or highscool science teachers or has a student at that level to ask if they do it and provide my contact info. I have had calls from several teachers and most rewardingly a Superintendant of one of the largest SD's in the area.  It may not be much, but if it stops one incident its worth the time. I would recommend we all do this. Steve

h but if it stops one incident.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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-------- Original message --------

Date: 11/24/2017 12:05 (GMT-05:00)

Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] 'Large fireball' injures students in chemistry experiment gone wrong

 

>What is needed is common sense. Is this something that can be learned?

The question is where the common sense needs to be located. The NFPA has already laid out very explicit expectations for classroom chemical demonstrations that enable a prudent person to work safely. However, it's not clear to me that either the teachers (or other demonstrators in public spaces, such as museums, daycares or scout gatherings) are aware of this standard. In my opinion, school administrators need to be more curious about why not...

- Ralph

Ralph Stuart, CIH, CCHO
Environmental Safety Manager
Keene State College
603 358-2859

ralph.stuart**At_Symbol_Here**keene.edu

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