From: Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] HF concentration and gluconate gel
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:54:29 -0400
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One last precaution about "kits."  In the past, one was advertising that it was "hydrofluoric acid-free."  A look at the MSDS (at that time) showed it was hydrochloric acid and sodium fluoride!


The art and and craft manufacturer's claims and labels should NEVER be accepted as accurate.  Always get the SDS and even then..................

Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President:  Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012     212-777-0062
actsnyc**At_Symbol_Here**cs.com   www.artscraftstheatersafety.org

 


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Sent: Fri, Oct 13, 2017 11:45 am
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] HF concentration and gluconate gel

Agreed Harry.  If folks in the lab are working with anything that has any concentrations of HF they should have the HF kits within easy access and those folks should be included in an HF haz comm annually.  

Hopefully the site medical and or EMS are notified about all labs using or potentially using and or creating HF in their work.  

Have to remember that some reactions create HF.  The chemist should know this, no matter the concentration..

All the best for a healthy and safe weekend.

Aaron

Sent from Aaron's iPhone.  

On Oct 13, 2017, at 11:28 AM, Harry Elston <helston**At_Symbol_Here**MIDWESTCHEMSAFETY.COM> wrote:

Jeff,
 
I'm not a physician here, but here's my take:
 
  1. Regardless of concentration in-use, having it on hand provides for good first aid practices.
  2. How did the end-user get to "low concentration?"  Did they dilute a higher concentration solution?
  3. "Low concentration" tends to become "higher concentration" use over time because (nearly) every scientist believes "more is better".  My observation of scientist nature over time.  That circles the logic back to #1 above.
 
Honeywell's guide does give cutoff concentrations to define "dilute."
 
H
 
From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Lewin
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 9:47 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: [DCHAS-L] HF concentration and gluconate gel
 
I received a cold call for gluconate gel kits this morning that I sent on to departmental CHO's.  Someone asked if they should have kits available for low concentrations of HF (<0.1%).
 
Does anybody have a HF "cutoff" where they don't require/recommend kits be immediately available in the laboratory?
Jeff
 
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