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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] ACS and other resources on rainbow experiment and other demonstrations
Date: Friday, May 19, 2017 at 2:13:06 PM
Author: "Wilhelm, Monique" <mwilhelm**At_Symbol_Here**UMFLINT.EDU> 		Next by Date:
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From: McGrath Edward J <Edward.McGrath**At_Symbol_Here**REDCLAY.K12.DE.US>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] ACS and other resources on rainbow experiment and other demonstrations
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 22:29:54 +0000
Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
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I have been following the feed since this posting,  but haven't had time to respond.   I felt compelled to respond to this one though.

I agree that facts (and their equally neglected pal, logical reasoning) are insufficient to effect the shift in priorities we desperately need in science education and science safety education.   But if I believed they were powerless,  I'd be working at my local Hallmark store for a living. 

My message  is that a change in safety culture in science starts with our youngest scientists--elementary students.  It MUST start there.  My state is not an OSHA state, so the requirement for teachers and administration to receive safety training is that it's the right thing to do.  

Here's why it's worth it.  In 12 years of safety training of our teachers,  not once has there been a complaint.  They ask for it, year after year.   They have lately been asking who trains me on safety!

Administration is a different story. 

What can we do?  Contact local school boards.  Ask if the science teachers receive safety training.   Ask if there's a chemical hygiene plan for the school or district.   You voted them in.  This is their responsibility. 

My $0.02 worth.  Have a great weekend. 

Eddie McGrath 



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From: Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON..EDU>
Date: 5/18/17 11:05 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] ACS and other resources on rainbow experiment and other demonstrations

I'll conclude it, but probably not as you would wish:

6) There is absolutely no need to provide OSHA training of any kind for teachers and such regulations should all be repealed.

7) Training isn't needed since accidents hardly ever happen.  And, if they do, it is God's will and we will pray for the victims.

I love the optimism of this forum.  You marshal your facts and good practices and assume they will read and change.  And I gratefully take use the wonderful advice you provide.

But your facts are powerless against political conviction and religious belief.  Only we who are already members of your choir will sing this music.  


Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President:  Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012     212-777-0062
actsnyc**At_Symbol_Here**cs.com   www.artscraftstheatersafety.org

 


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From: McGrath Edward J <Edward.McGrath**At_Symbol_Here**REDCLAY.K12.DE.US>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Sent: Thu, May 18, 2017 10:37 am
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] ACS and other resources on rainbow experiment and other demonstrations

Hi Ralph:

Thank you for including the National Science Teachers Association (NSTA) safety alert (which followed the October 30, 2015 incident in Fairfax, VA). The Safety Advisory Board of NSTA also recently updated its paper "Safer Handling of Alcohol in the Laboratory" on its website. Please share http://www.nsta.org/safety/alcohol.aspx with every teacher of science you know.

This incident highlights the ongoing battle we in the K-12 science arena fight daily. Too many people believe the following myths (and the current incident is the result):

1) "Any teacher can teach science with minimal training"

2) "Any adult can teach elementary science with minimal training"

3) "Safety culture is an add-on to science instruction. The main point is the content. Safety isn't "really" part of that."

4) "If you teach science, you MUST have received safety training ahead of time."

5) (this is the most insidious): "Science is about blowing things up."



Ok, I've been staring at this email for a half hour, and I'm really not sure how to conclude it. We have so much work to do, and fewer resources to do it with.

Bottom line, this kind of crap (laboratory injuries caused by failing to provide Duty of Care) must not happen again. They should never have happened this time (or any other time before). We KNOW better.



Eddie McGrath

Edward J. McGrath
Supervisor of Science
Red Clay Consolidated School District
1502 Spruce Avenue
Wilmington, DE 19805

(302) 552-3768

We did not inherit the Earth from our parents. We borrowed it from our children.

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From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Secretary, ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:41 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: [DCHAS-L] ACS and other resources on rainbow experiment and other demonstrations

As might be expected, ACS headquarters has received several media inquiries about the rainbow demonstration this week. To support members who might receive inquiries from local media, I thought I would provide a list of some of the key ACS and other resources that provide guidance for safe chemistry demonstrations in general and the rainbow demonstration in particular.

Let me know if you have any questions about this.

- Ralph

Safety Alert: The Rainbow Demonstration
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/about/governance/committees/chemicalsafety/safety-alert-rainbow-demonstration.html

NSTA issued its own alert which relies heavily on the ACS statement:
http://www.nsta.org/safety/flametests.aspx

The Chemical Safety Board (CSB) produced a dramatic video showing consequences of the methanol-related experiments:
http://www.csb.gov/videos/after-the-rainbow/

C&EN Safety Blog K-12 list of educational school museum likely alcohol fire incidents https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cp4xM5iyPIDekvnaDM3DRTQs1gKxDj6aYQ1JaSTFWsU/edit?usp=sharing

DCHED Safety Guidelines for Chemical Demonstrations http://www.divched.org/committee/safety

Safety Data Sheets: Information that Could Save Your Life https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/resources/highschool/chemmatters/past-issues/2015-2016/december-2015/safety-data-sheets.html

Safe Transportation Recommendations for Chemicals Used in Demonstrations or Educational Activities
https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/about/governance/committees/chemicalsafety/safetypractices/transporting-chemicals.pdf?_ga=2.218685529.1721778870.1495114376-1892501655.1494673836

Five Key Questions for Safe Research and Demos https://inchemistry.acs.org/content/inchemistry/en/college-life/five-key-questions-for-safe-research-and-demos.html

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