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Previous by Date: Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Latex and Nitrile Glove Allergies Date: Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 6:13:25 PM Author: Monona Rossol <0000012821515289-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**listserv.med.cornell.edu> |
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Bingo, Alan. It was talking to these people that made me so suspicious.
There were some very interesting animal tests that showed a similar effect. Rats subjected to a toxic substance in a quantity high enough to make them ill would show the same toxic effects and aversion when they were exposed to the same chemical in doses that were too low to physically cause the symptoms.
So these people may actually be feeling something, but it ain't allergy.
Idiopathic Environmental Intolerances is a good moniker for this problem.
I stress in my training that there is no relationship between odor and toxicity. There are things that stink that don't hurt you and things that smell good that are very toxic. And many toxic airborne substances have little or no odor. Your nose is a damn liar. Use your brain instead.
Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President: Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012 212-777-0062
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From: Alan Hall <ahalltoxic**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU>
Sent: Sun, Sep 4, 2016 1:59 pm
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Latex and Nitrile Glove Allergies
Monona, Sammye, et al,,
This one reminds me of what was popularized as Multiple Cemical Sensitivities (allergic to the 20th century). When evaluating such patients, the physician finds a nearly completely positive review of systems and no clinical sings whatsoever on physical examination and perfectly normal common screening laboartaatory tests. The International Programme on Chemical Safety (WHO, ILO, UNEP) had a large symposium on this plexing problem some years ago and decided it should be called Idiopathic Environmental Intolerances instead.
Having encounteredd a number of such fotks with this condition, I came to call it Perceived sensitivity to Chemicals, because these folks did subjective feel ill when they perceived they were exposed to chemicals, most often triggered, most triggered by strong or disagreeable odors. One such group could not drive their cars because they felt ill when they thought they were exposed to exhaust fumes, especiallydeisel truck exhaust. This could be ameliorated by having them wear a standard surgical mask with the bottom ties left untied. And of course, such a mask even if properly worn is not effective for protecting agains exhaust fumes. However, the patients felt better and could resume driving. They also patronized full-service gas stations and avoided the soap and detergents and cosmetics aisles when shopping.
Then there are patients with legitimate allergies. An example is those folks with such a strong peanut allergy that when airlines used to serve peanuts, they would develop sometimes quite severe bronchospasm when someone seated near them was eating the peanuts but they were not.
I haven't yet come across a rubber band allergy, but I supposed one could occur. Hopefully this student has been evaluated by an Allergist and has appropriate measures taken (carrying an EpiPen if she has anaphylactoid or anaphylactic reactions, for example)..
I'll leave the glove selection comments to those of the group who are much more highly qualified that I am in this area, but Icertainlyagree with the commen thatyou can't select a proper protective glove without knowing what chemicals are being handled..
Alan
Alan H. Hall,M.D.
On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Samuella B. Sigmann <sigmannsb**At_Symbol_Here**appstate.edu> wrote:
I wondered when someone would chime in on the obvious. How can the
question of which glove to replace nitrile be answered if we don't
know what chemicals the person is working with? Thanks for pointing
this out, Monona.
On this note, I had a student this week whose allergy to rubber
bands was so bad, she could not smell them or be in the lab where
they were being used. This was a new one for me. I am wondering
how she goes into stores?
Sammye
On 9/2/2016 1:42 PM, Monona Rossol
wrote:
Hmmmm. I thought the manufacturer's
recommend gloves be chosen to resist the particular solvents
being used. So this is not just "find any glove that doesn't
cause me to break out."
Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President: Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012 212-777-0062
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From: Donald Abramowitz <dabramow**At_Symbol_Here**BRYNMAWR.EDU>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU>
Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2016 9:52 am
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Latex and Nitrile Glove Allergies
Best's N-DEX =AE Free 7705PFT is accelerant
free.
Another possible alternative is a
chloroprene disposable glove like the Microflex
Neopro. Yet another thought would be to try a
polyethylene liner glove under the nitrile. The
cheap, flat gloves they use in food prep are
typically HDPE and food contact grade. I don't
think there are complicated formulas to
polyethylene, but I can't prove that.
Don
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Discussion List <dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**med.cornell.edu>
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Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 9:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Latex and Nitrile
Glove Allergies
Who sells accelerant-free nitrile gloves??
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On Sep 2, 2016, at 8:34 AM, paracelcusbombastusvon**At_Symbol_Here**juno.
Lucy,
You hit the nail on the head. The
sensitivity is not to the "polymer" but
rather the "accelerants" or catalysts.
Lynn Knudtson
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From: Lucy Dillman <lucydillman**At_Symbol_Here**COMCAST.NET>
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Latex and Nitrile
Glove Allergies
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 18:46:34 -0700
=C3- =BB =BF
I'm weighing in on the
glove issue. I have a sensitivity to
latex gloves, so switched to nitrile.
(All powder free, by the way). After
some time, I felt like bees were
stinging my hands when wearing nitrile
gloves. I tried using cotton glove
liners, but they are hot and awkward, at
least for me, when performing fine motor
tasks. After some study, I discovered
accelerant free nitrile gloves.
Apparently it is the accelerant they use
in making the material that can be a
sensitizer. My problem was solved.
Best wishes,
Lucy Dillman
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From:
Amanda MacPherson
Sent:
Thursday, September 01, 2016 1:05 PM
Subject:
Re: [DCHAS-L] Latex and Nitrile Glove
Allergies
Hi Zack,
No, we do not have powered gloves.
They are the thin gloves that we use
for general purpose use. We have
specialty gloves for some specific
applications, but the student will not
be working with those types of
materials for this particular lab.
On Thu, Sep 1,
2016 at 1:54 PM, Zack Mansdorf
<mansdorfz**At_Symbol_Here**bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Are you
using powdered gloves?
Nitrile allergies are pretty
rare. Are these thin gloves
or thick gloves (thin I
assume).
If the glove
use is to keep the student
clean or the work area
clean, there are potential
alternatives. If it is for
chemical permeation
resistance, you need to
check permeation guides.
Zack
S.Z.
Mansdorf, PhD, CIH, CSP, QEP
Consultant
in EHS and Sustainability
7184 Via
Palomar
Boca Raton,
FL 33433
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Sent:
Thursday, September 1,
2016 1:34 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU
Subject:
Re: [DCHAS-L] Latex and
Nitrile Glove Allergies
I
have not heard of
nitrile glove allergy
but allergy to latex
is not uncommon. It
would be good to
document the nitrile
allergy if it has not
been previously
reported. Perhaps you
could try vinyl gloves
but I would do it
cautiously since this
person is allergic to
nitrile (a polymer).
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Division of Chemical
Health and Safety"
>Sent: Sep 1,
2016 12:59 PM
>To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU
>Subject:
[DCHAS-L] Latex and
Nitrile Glove
Allergies
>
>From: Amanda
MacPherson
>Re: Latex and
Nitrile Glove
Allergies
>
>Hello,
>
>We currently
have a student going
through our
chemistry program
that has an allergy
to latex and nitrile
gloves. Does anyone
know of a suitable
alternative they
would recommend? I
have found several
alternatives, but I
know virtually
nothing about the
gloves themselves.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Amanda
MacPherson
>
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