From: Anna Sitek <engl0131**At_Symbol_Here**UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Managing teaching lab ventilation
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:11:11 -0500
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Hi Ralph,

The ventilation in our chemistry teaching labs is set up similar to MTU above. The general room ventilation does not vary during normal building hours but our teaching lab fume hoods are on timers. The timers are set to the course schedule for each room so that the hoods are shut down when there are no room occupants. Each semester the timers are reset to the new schedule. There is an over ride button for immediate activation and the lab coordinator can change the schedule on demand.

We have had problems in other teaching rooms where the room ventilation is tied to occupancy sensors that were not as responsive as promised.

Regarding your comment about the wider variability of chemicals in teaching labs vs research. For us the deciding factor has been the accuracy with which you can predict the lab being occupied. For our teaching labs the lab coordinator knows with certainty when the room is occupied or unoccupied (they open/lock up). While our research labs schedules vary widely making ventilation schedules impractical.

Anna

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Dodge, Janice <JDDodge**At_Symbol_Here**admin.fsu.edu> wrote:
Hi Ralph,

This is an interesting question. We have had ventilation problems in our chemistry buildings, both in an older teaching lab building that was renovated, and in a new research building. In both cases, the changes in lab ventilation to meet the challenges of the environment should have been readily accomplished as these were part of the engineering, but failed in practice. In our new chemistry research building, we found labs that were positive to student offices and fume hoods that shut down when the exhaust fans rotated off and on, and some labs with 30 ACH.

While we were complaining about the safety ramifications of the ventilation programming failures, Facilities was eager to lower energy costs. Therefore, we were asked to partner with them to identify which labs could have night time setbacks and also which labs might be ok with lower ACH. We have done this, and now they are reprogramming for these lab ventilation needs. However, our experience with this kind of programming (and the potential for failures) would lead me to question the ability of our engineers to effect ventilation program changes in any labs week by week to match the actual risk assessment for that week, unless there were very few labs and a very knowledgeable programmer was in charge, and there were in place methods for immediately determining the status of the lab ventilation post-programming.

Janice

Janice Dodge
Laboratory Safety Officer
Florida State University
(850) 644-8916

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Subject: [DCHAS-L] Managing teaching lab ventilation

I am interested in hearing how schools are balancing the connected issues of safety and cost of laboratory ventilation in teaching laboratories.

My experience with optimization of general lab ventilation in research settings is that it can be pretty straight forward because the chemical processes are reasonably stable and can be expected to remain consistent in terms of the chemicals used, where they are used, etc. for months, if not years at a time. However, in the teaching lab setting, the chemicals used tend to change dramatically from week to week and a lab with no chemicals one week may host 20 set ups that involve the use of ether or beta mercaptoethanol the next week.

In those situations, is lab ventilation reduced in the less chemically-intense weeks and/or increased during odoriferous weeks? If so, who manages these changes? Teaching faculty, building staff, central facilities staff, others?

Thanks for any help in working through these questions.

- Ralph

Ralph Stuart, CIH, CCHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Keene State College

ralph.stuart**At_Symbol_Here**keene.edu



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Anna Sitek (Englund)
Research Safety Specialist- College of Science & Engineering
Department of Environmental Health and Safety
University of Minnesota- Boynton W131
Desk 612 625 8925
Lab Safety Resources www.z.umn.edu/labsafe

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