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Anyone who has the required level of training that George mentioned will already know to go to those references for packaging guidance. Anyone who needs to be pointed to those references probably lacks the necessary training and should be referred to a qualified specialist, rather than told to do a look up in the table of dangerous goods.
The original question came from the UK. I am confident there are numerous Dangerous Goods Advisors there ready to provide the needed services as consultants. That is the appropriate path to follow, even for dangerous goods that combine radioactivity with chemical hazards. In that case, of course, the number of qualified consultants will be much reduced.
Peter Zavon, CIH
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As in previous post, look in International Air Transport Association (IATA) for the correct basic description (UN Id number / Proper shipping name / hazard class / packing group). That section (4.2) is printed on blue pages. Then go to the three digit packing instructions, the yellow pages. IATA not only lists the necessary information but has some very good go-by photographs of what proper packaging and documentation looks like. Also as above, check the training requirements (section 1.5 in IATA) before signing the shipper's declaration. If this is an air shipment, TSA / FAA is pretty aggressive in fining both the shipper and the transporter. Finally, look at the very end of the IATA regulations. There are check lists of requirements and the citation in IATA that should make the entire operation rather straight forward (if any international regulations are ever straight forward).
George C. Walton, CHMM
Reactives Management Corporation
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In same way-
I try to know how it possible to send hydrogen peroxide 50% from Canada to US? If someone have an issue, it would be appreciated!
Karine Martel
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You might want to contact the US DOE. They have methods in place for shipping highly radioactive solids and fluids, many of which are also highly corrosive. Their containers might be adaptable for your purpose if there is no issue of chemical incompatibility.
Michael Kleinman, Professor
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I am pretty familiar with Edgewood from my days there in uniform. This could be more complicated than just a highly toxic material. If the discussion would not be classified, I might suggest you contact Andy Altemos at HMT Associates. He is a leading expert in hazardous materials shipping (has a shipping consulting business) whom I have worked with (fee for service).
Good luck
S.Z. Mansdorf, PhD, CIH, CSP, QEP
Consultant in EHS and Sustainability
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Dear Dr. Williams,
You may want to contact air-sea.co.uk
+44 (0) 151 653 1500
They provide packaging for regulated materials and perhaps either can help you or send you to another vendor. I use their affiliate in the US and once I have classified the shipment, they are very willing to work with me to find the right type of packaging. We have some samples that are not in the usual type of container and they have some very innovative packaging which has been helpful to us.
Good luck!
best,
Margaret
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Williams Gareth R <GRWILLIAMS**At_Symbol_Here**mail.dstl.gov.uk> wrote:
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Fellow scientists and safety professionals across the pond,
I work for the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (part of the UK Ministry of Defence). We are essentially the UK version of DoD's Edgewood Chemical & Biological centre.
It doesn't take much imagination to know that we work with quantities of high-hazard, acutely toxic materials, all of which fall under GHS Acute Toxicity Class 1.
My question is, how do I find a suitable UN approved container to transport 5g of an acutely toxic solid and 5g of an acutely toxic liquid from our synthesis laboratories to our analytical facility. We used to use bespoke containers, but these are no longer an option as we cannot demonstrate that they are fit for purpose. We would therefore like to source a commercial solution.
Any ideas?
Grateful for any help,
Gareth
Gareth R. Williams PhD
Dstl Porton Down
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