From: Samuella Sigmann <sigmannsb**At_Symbol_Here**APPSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Green Labs: Balancing Safety and Sustainability in the 21st Century Chemistry Lab: NERM Call for Papers, June 2015, Ithaca, NY
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:51:25 -0500
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Hi Bruce - I guess I was hinting at your concerns in my post (but was not clear on this point) - As you explain, one would have to know what was in the kits, and if there was a possibility of exposure before knowing if the reg applied. According to how I read the reg, if there was a potential for exposure, the kit would not be exempt from the standard. So in your list below, if one can answer "yes" to A, then there would not be a B or C. As you point out, there are a lot of nasty things out there, so one better be sure that the answer to A is "yes" for the kit (and all the contents therein) before declaring that the reg does not apply for handling the contents. Lots of bio folks use ethidium bromide too.

The poster asked if there were any regs, and that one came to mind as an answer to that question.

It's not paranoid - and we all know that there is no such thing as "chemical free" even though some advertisers for makeup would have us think differently. Whether or not there is such a thing as "exposure free", I don't know, but OSHA seems to think so for some of these kits.

Sammye

On 12/4/2014 6:34 PM, Bruce Van Scoy wrote:

Sammye,

Before seeing if the exceptions apply, would it be wise to evaluate the toxicity of whatever is included in ??a kit? ?? Maybe, our key(s) need to be identifying/ensuring:

A. ??no potential for employee exposure ??

B. What would/could the consequences be of an unintended employee exposure to a highly hazardous or toxic compound, since an accident can happen.

C. What is your potential liability, if you do not look at the potential consequences?

I may be getting paranoid, which could either be based upon the experiences of lessons learned over many years or simply my age.

But, I have seen multitudes of ??kits ?? with non-hazardous compounds that would not result in a significant event if a step in the test procedure went conceivable wrong, but I have found enough potentials to make me want to take a keen notice to eliminate or at least control the hazard. (From the top of my head, think sodium azide, Karen Wennerstrom with dimethyl mercury, pyrophorics, etc.) Now where is that list of lessons learned from laboratory experiments gone wrong? We used to have a list that I referred to often, long before the CSB started to notice.

Bruce

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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Green Labs: Balancing Safety and Sustainability in the 21st Century Chemistry Lab: NERM Call for Papers, June 2015, Ithaca, NY

While I am not sure about the contents of the kits, some may be exempt under this section of the lab standard (If you are under the lab standard)
Sammye

1910.1450(a)(3)

This section shall not apply to:

1910.1450(a)(3)(ii)

Laboratory uses of hazardous chemicals which provide no potential for employee exposure. Examples of such conditions might include:

1910.1450(a)(3)(ii)(A)

Procedures using chemically-impregnated test media such as Dip-and-Read tests where a reagent strip is dipped into the specimen to be tested and the results are interpreted by comparing the color reaction to a color chart supplied by the manufacturer of the test strip; and

1910.1450(a)(3)(ii)(B)

Commercially prepared kits such as those used in performing pregnancy tests in which all of the reagents needed to conduct the test are contained in the kit.

On 12/4/2014 3:15 PM, Edward Miller wrote:

Hi,

We are currently having a discussion among our biochemists that their DNA starter segments, DNA sequencing kits and other materials like that are not chemicals and therefore they should not fall under all of the inventory control and ordering controls we have in place for things like sulfuric acid or other more readily recognizable chemicals. Does anyone have any feedback on how the regulations view these types of items?

Ed

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Stuart, Ralph <Ralph.Stuart**At_Symbol_Here**keene.edu> wrote:

I am helping to organize a technical symposium for next June's ACS Northeast Regional Meeting in Ithaca, NY on the topic of Green Labs: Balancing Safety and Sustainability in the 21st Century Chemistry Lab. this is a similar topic to a symposium DCHAS sponsored in the San Francisco meeting last fall, which was quite successful.

The abstracts submission web site will open in January, but I wanted to start Northeast members of DCHAS thinking about submitting an abstract for this symposium. If you are interested in talking about new environmentally-friendly programs in your chemistry department or how lab sustainability considerations impact laboratory safety at your campus, please consider submitting an abstract. I'd appreciate hearing about your ideas before the holiday break so that I can send out reminders when the abstract submission process begins.

Let me know if you have any questions about this.

- Ralph

Ralph Stuart, CIH, CCHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Keene State College

ralph.stuart**At_Symbol_Here**keene.edu




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Lecturer/Safety Committee Chair
A. R. Smith Department of Chemistry
Appalachian State University
525 Rivers Street
Boone, NC 28608
Phone: 828 262 2755
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