This topic and the apparent whining looks like another example of scientists putting personal comfort ahead of safety and common sense, a major issue in industry as much as in academics. It is an intrinsically bad idea for many reasons including not just corrosion but safe access to the waste area especially in case of a leak or other problem. “Prof. Murphy” addressed this topic.
And this from one who parked his bike in his lab in grad school, too many decades ago...
Lee
On 7/15/14 7:27 PM, "DAVID" <dakatz45**At_Symbol_Here**MSN.COM> wrote:
I personally think that storing bikes in the chemmical storage area is not a good idea. That said, has anyone considered the long term damage to the bikes from chemical fumes in the storage area? From my experience, even stainless steel "corrodes" in a chemical storage area on long term exposure.
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Perhaps caging off the space if the storage facility you need for waste? Ventilation will flow thru chain link, security can be managed, you’ll just need to make sure emergency responders and others can get access to the waste as necessary (i.e. bikes not blocking waste cage door access).
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Leslie – It doesn’t sound like you need much space; How about an aluminum storage building set up inside the storage area? Just a thought, since that could address the security issue and you should even be able to provide ventilation for the storage building if the logistics are right.
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There is a room in an older science building that was originally designed for chemical storage; I am taking it over for our 180-day chemical waste accumulation area. Over the past few years it has been used for general storage (old chalkboards) and for faculty bike storage while they are on campus. The question is, can they continue to keep bikes in there along with the chemical waste.
I have said it's not a good idea due to security (number of people with access) and training issues, as Debbie mentioned. Two of the faculty in on the discussion are from the chemistry department, so feel they should continue to be able to access the space. One of them recently had his bicycle stolen from the hallway outside his office, so secure bike storage is really a hot button for him right now. There are two bike racks just outside the building, but during the school year these are usually quite full. Most of the faculty offices aren't large enough to keep a bike in while working, and if they are in the hallways the fire exits get blocked. This is an issue all over campus, I'm just making it more difficult by taking away the science faculty's locked room. They asked for input from my professional organization, so Thanks!
Leslie
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Debbie M. Decker <dmdecker**At_Symbol_Here**ucdavis.edu> wrote:
Yeah – we’re a big bike campus, too.. Working with the bike folks and the grounds folks, getting enough secure bike storage around the building helps a lot.
To questions like that, I usually respond, “Must we?” and then start to make sure what they want to do won’t compromise compliance or fire code or exiting or potentially damage the bike. I presume they want to store the bikes in the waste room because it’s more secure than outdoors. If something goes wrong in the waste room, would they really want their bike in there? Can you maintain exiting? Can your hazardous waste haulers access what they need to access without tripping over bicycles? Are they properly trained to be in the waste room? They’ll need to have at least awareness level training for hazardous waste operations and that has to be refreshed annually. You can make it painful and bureaucratic – that might work to discourage them.
Hope this helps – just a few ideas off the top of my head.
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Faculty want to know: Is is okay to store bicycles in the same room as with chemical waste?
(They don't like my answer)
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