Pat I think you did, as I was not surprised (though I was disheartened) to learn about the High School Fire…I said to myself…we were just talking about this recently.

Mel

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I have to check this, but if you all remember I brought up concerns with a new gen chem lab book at the fall meeting. I think this experiment was one of the ones I pointed out.

Pat

On Sunday, January 5, 2014, David C. Finster <dfinster**At_Symbol_Here**wittenberg.edu> wrote:
> I agree with Neal, mostly:
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> I would also consider engaging the NSTA, or at least reach out to this organization as we pursue this project. I suspect that many science teachers have a stronger affinity to that organization than to the ACS and we should seek partners that have street credibility with teachers. I'm speculating here; if anyone (such as some high school chemistry teachers reading this?) please weigh in.
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> If we really want to serve the high school teaching community (and I take that to be the primary motivating here, of course) I'd suggest that we offer workshops for free instead of some per person charge. Many, but perhaps not all, school systems are having budgets slashed in recent years. (And, I'd expect that many teachers would not attend such a workshop unless they get a stipend for attending. Thus, any charge on our part requires "double payment" by a school system.) I'd wager that the amount of money this effort would recover is a tiny, tiny fraction of the ACS budget, and/or corporate sponsorship seems possible. Whether the presenters are volunteers or get paid a nominal stipend is worth discussing; I'd favor the latter.
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> And: Lots rural and small school systems only have one chemistry teacher. How to reach out to them would be problematic. I mention this only as something to think about, not as a criticism of the main idea. And, surely it is better to have a program that works for some (but not all) rather than trying to design an impossible structure that can effectively reach everyone.
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> Bob
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> CCS should take the lead on several fronts
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> 1. Work with Diane and Bill to hold a subject conference on the issue. Attendees should be ACS, CSB, and appropriate K-12 educational leaders and associations
> 2. Develop and offer a 2- 3 workshop on doing HS demonstrations. ACS should offer this to any school districts that want it for a nominal fee - maybe $50 per person. If CCS puts it together as a solid package, we can draw on local CHAS members - and others from ACS - to present it to the school district.
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> I am afraid that ACS will be embarrassed professionally if the public starts asking why ACS is not doing something about this. This entire initiative will draw on resources we already have and will not be overly expensive.
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> Let's make this a 2014 goal.
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> Neal
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> When I read about this yesterday this was exactly my reaction. It sounds like the same experiment that uses methanol and the demonstrators are just unaware about the conditions that cause fires or they just underestimate the risk of the fire and explosion and don't provide proper protections for their students. I am wondering if CCS should issue some sort of warning about this particular demonstration in high schools - not so to stop the demonstration but rather to explain the risks associated with this and suggestions for steps to prevent these incidents. What do you think? Bob
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>>From: "Secretary, ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety" <secretary**At_Symbol_Here**DCHAS.ORG>
>>Sent: Jan 4, 2014 9:29 AM
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>>Subject: [DCHAS-L] CSB statement on High School Laboratory Fire in New York City
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>>Statement from CSB Chairperson Rafael Moure-Eraso on Yesterday's High School Laboratory Fire in New York City
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>>I was distressed to learn once again of a serious high school laboratory accident, this one occurring yesterday at a New York City High School. According to media reports, a flash fire occurred during a demonstration in the high school's laboratory resulting in injuries to two 10th grade students, one severely.
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>>This accident is all too similar to the one we highlighted in a recent video safety message released by the CSB that specifically focused on potential dangers in high school chemistry laboratories. The CSB&rsquo;s safety message entitled "After the Rainbow," features accident survivor Calais Weber in her own words describing how at age 15 she was burned over 40 per cent of her body during a chemistry demonstration performed by her teacher at a prestigious boarding school she attended in Ohio. That accident occurred on January 23, 2006. Our chemical investigation screening process regrettably regularly reports similar accidents.
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>>Though information at this stage is very preliminary, media reports indicate the accident that occurred yesterday in Manhattan may have been similar to the type of demonstration that critically injured Ms. Weber in that it attempted to show how chemicals react in different ways giving off different colors. . The demonstration in the CSB video showed the use of highly flammable methanol to depict how various mineral salts produce different color flames when burned.
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>>The CSB believes that accidents in high school laboratories occur with alarming