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Greetings all,
Our hazardous waste manager and I have been reviewing the new 2011 Prudent Practices with regard to peroxide formers and have a question.
If anyone has a copy, on page 73 the last sentence of the second paragraph states:
=93No special disposal precautions are required for peroxide contaminated Class B materials.=94
What is meant by this statement?
I understand that diethylether will test positive for peroxides at the expiration date but may not be considered unsafe because the concentration is very low.
So what about after it has increased to >100 ppm?
Thanks,
Chris
Christopher E. Kohler
Certified Chemical Hygiene Officer
Laboratory Safety Manager
Indiana University
Office of Environmental, Health, and Safety Management
1514 East Third Street
Bloomington, IN 47405
(812) 855-6311
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On Behalf Of Wardecke, Jon
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 9:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Peroxide Formers - Questions
The updated version (2011) of
Prudent Practices in the Laboratory, Handling and Disposal of Chemicals
lists peroxide formers as Group A, B and C. This may be in line with the CRC Handbook=85but I do not have a recent copy. JW
Jon Wardecke, CIH, HEM
Occupational Safety & Health Manager/Industrial Hygienist
VA Medical Center (00S)
5000 West National Avenue
Milwaukee, WI 53295
(414) 384-2000 X42934
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Peroxide Formers - Questions
All,
I thought I'd throw this out for its educational value.
For those that may not be aware, there are two lists of peroxide formers that appear to compete with each other: Groups a through D and Class I, II, and III.
1. Prudent Practices in the Laboratory, Handling and Disposal of Chemicals, 1995, National Academies Press.
Note:
Prudent Practices in the Laboratory designates peroxide formers as Class I, II, III and they are listed from the
LEAST dangerous to the MOST dangerous respectively.
2.
CRC Handbook of Laboratory Safety, Furr, A. Keith, 2000, CRC Press
Note:
CRC Handbook of Laboratory Safety designates peroxide formers as Group A, B, C, D and they are listed from the
MOST dangerous to the LEAST dangerous respectively.
Chris
Christopher E. Kohler
Certified Chemical Hygiene Officer
Laboratory Safety Manager
Indiana University
Office of Environmental, Health, and Safety Management
1514 East Third Street
Bloomington, IN 47405
(812) 855-6311
-----Original Message-----
From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of Chance, Brandon
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 2:42 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Peroxide Formers - Questions
Richard,
Originally we were using Sensafe Water-works test strips. Although
designed for use with water they did give positive and negative results in
solvents. It should probably be considered more of a qualitative than a
quantitative test. I can say with certainty that when testing dozens of
bottles of diethyl ether and THF, the older bottles showed higher peroxide
levels than newer bottles, many of which gave no detectable reading.
I just recently received something called XploSens PS from a company
called Xplosafe via Sigma Aldrich. Unfortunately the Sigma website was a
bit misleading as I was expecting quantitative strips. These are purely a
qualitative strip.
If anyone on the board has any testing strip recommendations, then I am
all ears.
Regards,
Brandon Chance, M.S.
Safety and Environmental Compliance Manager
Office of Building Operations & HSSE
Texas A&M University at Qatar
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amu.edu>
PO Box 23874 | Doha, Qatar
TAMUQ Building Room 225E | Education City
(o) +974.4423.0495 | (m) +974.6668.3552 | SkypeIn USA 001.281.764.1776
It=B9s Time For Texas A&M
On 10/28/11 10:40 PM, "Pumphrey, Richard" <r.pumphrey**At_Symbol_Here**NEU.EDU> wrote:
>Brandon,
>Can you tell me what test kit you use? We have not been able tofind a
>reliable test for peroxides in solvents.
>Thanks,
>Richard Pumphrey
>Northeastern University
>Boston
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Chance, Brandon [mailto:brandon.chance**At_Symbol_Here**QATAR.TAMU.EDU]
>Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 03:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Peroxide Formers - Questions
>
>Bill,
>
>Due to our location, it takes 6 months or longer in many cases to order
>and receive chemicals and shipping can be very expensive. It isnot
>feasible to order a few bottles of ethyl ether or THF every month andwe
>must order in bulk quantities meaning that things are at least halfway
>through their shelf life before we even receive them. Because of this,
>we have a program in place for peroxide monitoring. In a nutshell, once
>the expiration date is reached, the chemicals are tested every six months
>for peroxide formation and the bottles are tagged showing testing and
>results. If it tests positive (I think the level we use is over20ppm
>but will have to reference my notes back at the office on Sunday), then
>we handle the neutralization and disposal. Due to our location,we are
>not comfortable with the waste company handling compounds that test
>positive, so we neutralize them ourselves before sending them off as
>waste.
>
>If there is something we can not handle; for example, the discovery of
>ethers that expired in the early 90s, then we call out the military to
>handle the retrieval and disposal.
>
>I am not sure if this helps, but thought I would give you my two cents.
>
>Regards,
>
>Brandon Chance
>
>Safety and Environmental Compliance Manager
>Office of Building Operations & HSSE
>Texas A&M University at Qatar
>
>PO Box 23874 | Doha, Qatar
>TAMUQ Building Room 225E | Education City
>
>(o) +974.4423.0495 | (m) +974.6668.3552 | SkypeIn USA 001.281.764.1776
>
>
>It=B9s Time For Texas A&M
>
>
>From:
><bill.galdenzi**At_Symbol_Here**BOEHRINGER-INGELHEIM.COM<mailto:bill.galdenzi**At_Symbol_Here**BOEHRINGER-IN
>GELHEIM.COM>>
>Reply-To: DCHAS-L
>Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:55:07 -0400
>Subject: [DCHAS-L] Peroxide Formers - Questions
>
>
>All
>
>I would like to know how folks are handling peroxide formers. Some
>background on my program is that we have 2 lists. Group A=AD we require
>disposal after 3 months from opening (i.e. Sodium amide). And Group B =AD
>we require disposal 12 months after opening and 24 months after receipt
>(whichever comes first) (i.e. ether, THF=D0etc.).
>
>Specifically, I would like to know what folks do for the following:
>
>1. A researcher identifies a peroxide former is past the expiration
>date. What do they do?
>
>a. Call EHS
>
>b. Do you have date ranges that then trigger EHS. For example, if
>THF is 1 year past its required disposal date then do they call EHS.
>But if the date is within 1 year past the disposal date then they follow
>normal waste disposal guidelines.
>
>2. What are your timeframes for requiring folks to contact EHS?
>
>a. Group A
>
>b. Group B
>
>3. Do you have timeframes for when EHS would consider the material
>a =B3High Hazard=B2 and call in a High haz waste contractor?
>
>4. Or, do you rely on visual cues and knowledge of the specific
>chemical.
>
>Your feedback is appreciated. Thanks
>
>
>
>Bill Galdenzi
>
>Environmental, Health, and Safety
>
>Boehringer-Ingelheim Pharmaceuticals
>
>(203) 778-7759
>
>elheim.com>
>
>Click
>here<http://rdgvipprod.am.boehringer.com/intranet_rdg/intranet_rdg/opunet/
>webbi/employeeinf/safetyenv/index.jsp> to see the EHS webpage
>
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