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Subject: Re: Burka and safety
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 15:23:23 -0700
Author: Mike Hurwitz
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Subject: Re: Burka and safety
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 18:07:25 -0500
Author: "Ellison, Mark"
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Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 18:58:08 -0400
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From: Ernest Lippert <ernielippert**At_Symbol_Here**TOAST.NET>
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How did it happen? I would suspect through carelessness. In most laboratory
situations one should not be handling enough HF for it to splash - and why
just the ear, so what happened?
There are unusual things that happen that are hard to predict. less alone t
o
prevent. Several years ago one of our women chemists received from a truck
delivery a small cardboard box containing 4-500 ml bottles of HF. a fairly
common scenario since HF was a commonly used reagent. After walking less
than 50 feet to the lab, she noticed that the bottom of the box and her lab
coat were wet. She immediately disrobed as far as possible and then, in the
ladies room, washed herself well. A safety shower was available but the
circumstances did not dictate its use. At the hospital she was found to hav
e
a couple of areas that needed calcium gluconate injections. Full recovery
ensued.
Investigation revealed that the box and one of the bottles had been
punctured by a nail or other object just above the fill line so that when
the package was tipped during transport, some HF leaked out. It was assumed
that this puncture happened for some unknown reason in the truck. The
trucking line was immediately contacted and the driver alerted. No
contamination was found.
Can you protect yourself and your employees from such an unforeseen
situation? Maybe, but then work would never get done. It is better to have
your employees be alert for unforeseen situations and know how to react.
Ernest Lippert
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Michael Hojjatie wrot
e:
> Several years ago there was an incident of somebody got splashed with
> hydrofluoric acid in one of his ears. The ear was as black as ebony wood
for
> several days and very painful. He had to get calcium glutamate by injecti
on
> as well as orally. In almost all of the safety advises and guidelines eye
s
> and face protection is discussed. I have rarely seen recommendations for
> =93ear protection=94 beyond the noise protection. Please comment.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Michael Hojjatie, Ph.D. ****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] *On Behalf
> Of *ILPI
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 9:06 AM
> *To:* DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [DCHAS-L] Burka and safety****
>
> ** **
>
> Safety needs to be applied equally and consistently. Loose clothing or
> clothing that obscures peripheral vision in a chemistry laboratory (or
> machine shop - think Yale) is a safety hazard and is not acceptable. *Sa
fety
> is agnostic*.****
>
> ** **
>
> The real issue here is whether your institution is willing or required to
> make some sort of accommodation such as permitting the student to do her
lab
> time without the burka when only females are around. And that answer wil
l
> obviously vary from state to state.****
>
> ** **
>
> You should immediately consult your college's legal counsel **in writing*
*,
> and be sure to impress on them from the start that safety can not be
> compromised under any circumstances. You will no doubt want to come up w
ith
> a standard written policy to address this issue.****
>
> ** **
>
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> On Sep 1, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Yaeger, Mary Ann wrote:****
>
>
>
> ****
>
> Could others tell me how you deal with a student who wears a Burka taking
> an organic chemistry class, or any lab class for that matter? We certain
ly
> don=92t want to discriminate religiously, so how do we deal with the safe
ty
> issues of that. Surprisingly this is the first time this situation has
> arisen for us.****
>
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>
> Thanks,****
>
> MaryAnn****
>
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> MaryAnn Yaeger, MS****
>
> Supervisor of Laboratory Services,****
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> Wesley College****
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How did it happen? I would suspect through carelessness. In most labor
atory situations one should not be handling enough HF for it to splash - an
d why just the ear, so what happened?
=A0
There are unu
sual things that happen that are hard to predict. less alone to prevent. Se
veral years ago one of our women chemists received from a truck delivery a
small cardboard box=A0containing 4-500 ml bottles of HF. a fairly common sc
enario since HF was a commonly used reagent. After walking less than 50 fee
t to the lab, she noticed that the bottom of the box and her lab coat were
wet. She immediately disrobed as far as possible and then, in the ladies ro
om, washed herself well. A safety shower was available but the circumstance
s did not dictate its use. At the hospital she was found to have a couple o
f areas that needed calcium gluconate injections. Full recovery ensued.
=A0
Investigation revealed that the box and one of the bottl
es had been punctured by a nail or other object just above the fill line so
that when the package was tipped during transport, some HF leaked out. It
was assumed that this puncture happened for some unknown reason in the truc
k. The trucking line was immediately contacted and the driver alerted. No c
ontamination was found.
=A0
Can you protect yourself and your employees from such=A0
an unforeseen situation? Maybe, but then work would never get done. It is b
etter to have your employees be alert=A0for unforeseen situations and know
how to react.
=A0
Ernest Lippert
=A0
=A0
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Michael Hojjatie
<mhojjatie**At_Symbol_Here**tk
inet.com> wrote:
Several years ago there was an incident of somebody got splashed with
hydrofluoric acid in one of his ears. The ear was as black as ebony wood f
or several days and very painful. He had to get calcium glutamate by inject
ion as well as orally. In almost all of the safety advises and guidelines e
yes and face protection is discussed. I have rarely seen recommendations fo
r =93ear protection=94 beyond the noise protection. Please comment.<
u>
=A0
=A0
Michael Hojjatie,
Ph.D. =A0
=A0
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From:
DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu
] On Behalf Of ILPI
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 9:06 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Burka and safety
=A0
Safety needs to be applied equally and consistently. =A0Loose clothing o
r clothing that obscures peripheral vision in a chemistry laboratory (or ma
chine shop - think Yale) is a safety hazard and is not acceptable. =A0Sa
fety is agnostic.
The real issue here is whether your institution is willing o
r required to make some sort of accommodation such as permitting the studen
t to do her lab time without the burka when only females are around. =A0And
that answer will obviously vary from state to state.
You should immediately consult your college's legal coun
sel **in writing**, and be sure to impress on them from the start that safe
ty can not be compromised under any circumstances. =A0You will no doubt wan
t to come up with a standard written policy to address this issue.
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On Sep 1, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Yaeger, Mary Ann wrote:
Could others tell me
how you deal with a student who wears a Burka taking an organic chemistry
class, or any lab class for that matter?=A0 We certainly don=92t want to di
scriminate religiously, so how do we deal with the safety issues of that.
=A0 Surprisingly this is the first time this situation has arisen for us.
Thanks,
Supervisor of Laboratory Services,
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Dover DE 19901
Fax 302-736-2301<
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