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Subject: Re: Odor
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:49:26 -0700
Author: Jean & Ken Smith
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Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:33:11 -0400
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From: Mark Grossman <qed**At_Symbol_Here**WESTNET.COM>
Subject: Re: Odor
Then, of course, the root cause could have been the employee who left
Chrysler to go to IBM and then decided to pursue higher education at North
Carolina State, leaving a trail of old fruit along the way.
Sorry, couldn't resist! :-)
Mark
Mark I. Grossman, CIH, CSP
Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510
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From: "Ken Kretchman"
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Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Odor
> Interesting.. I'm ex-IBM and had the exact "moldy orange" experience
> listed below here at NC State. Only different is the desk was in a
> complex lab area. These can certainly be tough to pinpoint.
>
> Some of these can be quite a task to pinpoint. Dry traps, wet
> insulation, etc ... A number of years ago we blew theatrical smoke into
> the waste line vent pipe on the roof of our chemistry building after a
> frustrating run of fugitive odors and had facilities personnel moving
> through labs in the building to spot emissions. We found more that one
> area with compromised waste drain plumbing.
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> Kenneth Kretchman, CSP, CIH
> Director, Environmental Health and Safety
> NC State University
> Raleigh, NC 27695-8007
> 919-515-6860 (p)
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>>>> Alan Hall 7/27/2011 1:49 PM >>>
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> Rachel,
>
> Since it is a microbiology laboratory, have you considered any of the
> biological organisms that contribute to the problem of "Athlete's foot"
> (some are odoriferous fungi) that might be being grown/incubated? Could
> there be some cultures of such in there? Certainly, many "moldy" odors
> are actually from biological organisms. Could it in fact be that "dirty
> socks" are actually dirty socks (as in someone's overlooked gym bag)?
>
> I'm reminded of a case at a major IBM facility a friend of mine
> investigated some years ago of "sick building syndrome" in an office
> area that turned out to be a "lost" mouldy orange buried beneath
> paperwork in a worker's lower desk drawer (after an expensive IH
> evaluation of multiple worker odor complaints had already been done).
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Alan
> Alan H. Hall, M.D.
> Medical Toxicologist.
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>
> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:57:04 +0000
> From: patty.olinger**At_Symbol_Here**EMORY.EDU
> Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Odor
> To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
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> Hi Rachel, Obviously from the responses you’ve received there could
> be several possibilities. Dry traps are usually a good one to start
> with. If you (and your facilities and research staff) have exhausted
> all possibilities there is also something called “dirty sock
> syndrome”. Google it and you will see many reference and
> discussions. Here is a link with an explanation.
>
> http://www.foxservice.com/austin/knowledge_base.asp?ID=1291219433792&_perPg=40&view=articles&_category=Residential%3A%3AAir%20Conditioning%20%26%20Heating%20&_filterField=Categories
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>
> We recently had an issue that people described as dirty socks, sewer
> gas, etc. After several months found the odor by reviewing the floor
> plan of the building and following the pipes in the walls. We found a
> couple of uncapped pipes that were no longer in use.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Patty
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> "Harrington, Rachel" wrote:
> We have a strong “dirty socks” odor present in one of our micro
> labs. It’s a pretty typical lab using media and cultures, etc. and
> we are systematically removing everything and deconning but this odor is
> persisting. I know I have smelt this chemical before, maybe back in my
> undergraduate days, but it is really a sickening odor. Any ideas? Any
> help is greatly appreciated. Thank you!
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