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I also feel the same way about this type of door.

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Don Abramowitz wrote
:

> MaryAnn,
>
> I'm also aware of the problem of dropped bottles.  The springs on the sel
f
> closers can be quite strong, so people are forced into a one hand lift on
> heavy containers, like 4 liter bottles and five gallon cans.  I don't see
> many instances of people leaving the doors to the manual cabinets open al
l
> day, so I'm not sure that self closers solve a real problem.
>
> I suppose the self-closing door is a huge advantage when it slams shut an
d
> protects the rest of the cabinet's contents when the bottle it knocks out
 of
> your hand bursts into flames.
>
>                                                               Don
>
> Donald Abramowitz
> Environmental Health & Safety Officer
> Bryn Mawr College
> Bryn Mawr, PA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> We have had chemicals dropped a few times because of the self closing
> doors.  Has anyone else had this problem?  In trying to keep the door ope
n,
> or not realizing how close the door is  people have bumped the door pulli
ng
> out the chemical and dropped the bottle.  Our older cabinets are not self
> closing and we don=92t have a problem with the doors being left open.  I
> prefer those that are not self closing.
>
>
>
> MaryAnn
>
>
>
> MaryAnn Yaeger, MS
>
> Supervisor of Laboratory Services,
>
> Chemical Hygiene Officer
>
> Wesley College
>
> 120 N. State Street
>
> Dover DE 19901
>
> Ph. 302-736-2389
>
> Fax 302-736-2301
>
>
>
> *From:* DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] *On Behalf
> Of *ILPI
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:53 PM
> *To:* DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [DCHAS-L] flammable cabinet question
>
>
>
> State and local codes will vary so you should consult your local or state
> fire marshal's office.   For example, it is my understanding that Califor
nia
> requires self-closing doors.  The major US manufacturers sell both manual
> and automatic door models, so there is obviously no federal requirement.
>
>
>
> Given the obvious safety advantages of automatic door closers, the questi
on
> should be why one would wish to defeat a safety feature that is, at best,
 a
> trivial annoyance.  I strongly endorse their use whenever feasible.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Rob Toreki
>
>
>
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> On Nov 4, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Bradley, Shelly wrote:
>
>
>
> Are self-closing doors required on flammable cabinets? (Specifically thos
e
> under fume hoods)
>
> If not, are there any restrictions on removing closers from flammable
> cabinet doors as long as the door latches?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shelly
>
>
>
> Shelly Bradley
> Instrumentation Specialist
> Laboratory Development Assistant
> Campus Chemical Compliance Director
> Chemistry Department
> Hendrix College
> Conway, AR 72032
> (501) 450-3812
> bradley**At_Symbol_Here**hendrix.edu
>
>
>
>




I also feel the same way about this type of door. 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Don Abramowitz 
<dabramow**At_Symbol_Here**brynmawr.edu><
/span> wrote:

Ma
ryAnn, 

I'm also aware of the problem of dropped bottles.=A0 The springs on
 the self closers can be quite strong, so people are forced into a one hand
 lift on heavy containers, like 4 liter bottles and five gallon cans.=A0 I 
don't see many instances of people leaving the doors to the manual cabi
nets open all day, so I'm not sure that self closers solve a real probl
em.=A0=A0 

I suppose the self-closing door is a huge advantage when it slams shut 
and protects the rest of the cabinet's contents when the bottle it knoc
ks out of your hand bursts into flames.

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Donald Abramowitz
Environmental Health &
 Safety Officer
Bryn Mawr College
Bryn Mawr, PA
<
/span>


We have had chemicals dropped a few times because of the self cl
osing doors.=A0 Has anyone else had this problem?=A0 In trying to keep the 
door open, or not realizing how close the door is =A0people have bumped the
 door pulling out the chemical and dropped the bottle.=A0 Our older cabinet
s are not self closing and we don=92t have a problem with the doors being l
eft open.=A0 I prefer those that are not self closing.
=A0
MaryAnn
=A0
MaryAnn Yaeger, MS<
/span>
Supervisor of 
Laboratory Services,
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Wesley Colleg
e
120 N. State Street
Dover DE 19901
Ph. 302-736-2389<
/p>
Fax 302-736-2301
=A0

From:
 DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu
] On Behalf Of ILPI

Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:53 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
<
b>Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] flammable cabinet question
=A0
State and local c
odes will vary so you should consult your local or state fire marshal's
 office. =A0 For example, it is my understanding that California requires s
elf-closing doors. =A0The major US manufacturers sell both manual and autom
atic door models, so there is obviously no federal requirement.
=A0

Given the obvious safety advantages of automatic door closers, the question
 should be why one would wish to defeat a safety feature that is, at best, 
a trivial annoyance. =A0I strongly endorse their use whenever feasible.
=A0

Best wishes,
=A0
Rob Toreki
=A0

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===============
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Safety Supplies featuring brand names
you know 
and trust. =A0Visit us at http://www.SafetyEmporium.com

esales**At_Symbol_Here**safetyemporium.com =A0or toll-free: (866) 32
6-5412
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On Nov 4, 2010, 
at 5:19 PM, Bradley, Shelly wrote:


<
span style="color: blue;">Are self-closing doors required on flammable ca
binets? (Specifically those under fume hoods)
If not, are 
there any restrictions on removing closers from flammable cabinet doors as 
long as the door latches?

=A0
Thanks,

Shelly
=A0

Shelly Bradley
Instr
umentation Specialist
Laboratory Development Assistant
Campus Chemica
l Compliance Director
Chemistry Department
Hendrix=A0Col
lege

Conway,=A0AR=A072032
(501) 450-3
812
bradl
ey**At_Symbol_Here**hendrix.edu
=A0

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