DCHAS-L Archives Oct 07 2010 - Re: Earbud policy in Labs

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You're right, Mark!=A0 I have been thinking of ear plugs all along.=A0 My a pologies=A0for sending out the information pertaining to misunderstood conc ept. =A0 I have not come across anyone using earbuds (earphones, as I understand)=A0 while working in the lab, undergrad or research. Navneet S. --- On Thu, 10/7/10, Ellison, Mark wrote: From: Ellison, Mark Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Earbud policy in Labs To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 1:11 PM Perhaps we are having a semantics issue here.=A0 As I read these, I interpr et "earbud" to be a device that is plugged into an MP3 player (or similar d evice) to facilitate listening to music.=A0 Navneet may be referring to "ea r plugs" rather than the headphones.=A0 Just a thought.=A0 In any case, if the noise is loud enough that someone is trying to block it with whatever m eans necessary, then dosimetry is in order. =A0 Mark Ellison "Plan Safety - Work Safely" P Please consider the environment before printing this email =A0 From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of Na vneet Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 7:42 AM To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Earbud policy in Labs I have not used them personally but have seen other analysts use when worki ng with loud equipment.=A0 If they use it, I assume they provide some kind of sound barrier.=A0 And these equipments are definitely not in use for an entire day; may be for couple mins during one sample prep or sort. I was just providing a suggestion, as everyone else. Thanks Navneet S. --- On Wed, 10/6/10, Peter Zavon wrote: From: Peter Zavon Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Earbud policy in Labs To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 8:08 PM In my opinion, Navneet is incorrect in asserting that ear buds can minimize the loud noise produced by equipment, even for a short time.=A0 Ear buds a re not ambient =A0noise blocking devices.=A0 When used in a noisy environme nt, they will encourage the wearer to adjust the programmed sound to a loud er level than would otherwise be used -=A0so it can be heard over the backg round.=A0 The net result is that the ear is presented with more intense sou nd than would be the case with the background alone. =A0 Peter Zavon, CIH Penfield, NY PZAVON**At_Symbol_Here**Rochester.rr.com From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of Na vneet Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:33 PM To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Earbud policy in Labs In my experience, ear buds are allowed if working with loud equipment such as vacuum=A0pump.=A0 Constant loudness is a safety hazard in itself and can be minimized by use of ear buds for a short time of loud instrument/equipm ent usage. Navneet S. --- On Wed, 10/6/10, Peifer, Patricia wrot e: From: Peifer, Patricia Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Earbud policy in Labs To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 11:25 AM #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 UNKNOWN { FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 UNKNOWN { FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 UNKNOWN { FONT-FAMILY:"MS Sans Serif";panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 UNKNOWN { FONT-FAMILY:"Arial Narrow";panose-1:2 11 5 6 2 2 2 3 2 4;} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 #yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220 103 #yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220103 P.yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv133 6220103MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:11pt;MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 #yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220 103 LI.yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220103MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:11pt;MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 #yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220 103 DIV.yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220103MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:11pt;MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 #yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220 103 A:link { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 #yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220 103 SPAN.yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220103MsoHyperlink { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 #yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220 103 A:visited { COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 #yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220 103 SPAN.yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220103MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 #yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220 103 P { FONT-SIZE:12pt;MARGIN-LEFT:0in;MARGIN-RIGHT:0in;FONT-FAMILY:"serif";} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 #yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220 103 SPAN.yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220103EmailStyle17 { COLOR:windowtext;FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 #yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220 103 SPAN.yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220103EmailStyle19 { COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 #yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220 103 .yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220103MsoChpDefault { FONT-SIZE:10pt;} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 UNKNOWN { MARGIN:1in;} #yiv407632082 #yiv407632082yiv919697526 #yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220 103 DIV.yiv407632082yiv919697526yiv1336220103WordSection1 { } I am not in a teaching or research lab either, but we ban them as well.=A0 Not only for safety reasons but also because of the impression it makes whe n we have client or regulatory agency audits.=A0 =A0 From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of Lo ng, Don Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:16 AM To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Earbud policy in Labs We are neither a teaching or a research lab, but we do prohibit earbuds in our lab. Folks need to maintain awareness of what's going on around them... ........ =A0 Don A. Long STS, CAIH Southwest Research Institute Laboratory Pine Bluff Chemical Agent Disposal Facility PO Box 20130 White Hall, AR=A0 71612 870-541-4930 -----Original Message----- From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU]On Behalf Of Waw zyniecki Jr, Stefan Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 9:51 AM To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: [DCHAS-L] Earbud policy in Labs How many of you have a policy banning earbuds in laboratories? Does it apply only to Undergrad teaching labs, or does it extend into resea rch labs? -Stefan Wawzyniecki University of Connecticut The contents of this message are confidential and may be privileged. If you have received this message in error, please permanently delete it, along w ith any files that may be attached to this message, without reading, printi ng, copying, forwarding or otherwise distributing it. 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You're right, Mark! I have been th inking of ear plugs all along. My apologies for sending out the information pertaining to misunderstood concept.

I have not come across anyone using earbuds (earphones, as I understan d) while working in the lab, undergrad or research.

Navneet S.

--- On Thu, 10/7/10, Ellison, Mark <m ellison**At_Symbol_Here**SACHSCO.COM> wrote:

From: Ellison, Mark <mellison**At_Symbol_Here**SACHSCO.COM>< BR>Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Earbud policy in Labs
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 1:11 PM

Perhaps we are having a semantics issue here. As I read these, I interpret "earbud" to be a device tha t is plugged into an MP3 player (or similar device) to facilitate listening to music. Navneet may be referring to "ear plugs" rather than the he adphones. Just a thought. In any case, if the noise is loud eno ugh that someone is trying to block it with whatever means necessary, then dosimetry is in order.

Mark Ellison< /DIV>
"Plan Safety - Work Safel y"

P Please consider the environment before printing this email< /DIV>

From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:D CHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of Navneet
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 7:42 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject:< /B> Re: [DCHAS-L] Earbud policy in Labs

I have not used them personally but have seen other analysts use when working with loud equipment. If they use it, I assume they provide so me kind of sound barrier. And these equipments are definitely not in use for an entire day; may be for couple mins during one sample prep or sor t.

I was just providing a suggestion, as everyone else.

Thanks

Navneet S.

--- On Wed, 10/6/10, Peter Zavon <pza von**At_Symbol_Here**ROCHESTER.RR.COM> wrote:

From: Peter Zavon <pzavon**At_Symbol_Here**ROCHESTER.RR.COM>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Earbud policy in Labs
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.ED U
Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 8:08 PM

In my opinion, Navnee t is incorrect in asserting that ear buds can minimize the loud noise produ ced by equipment, even for a short time. Ear buds are not ambient noise blocking devices. When used in a noisy environment, they wil l encourage the wearer to adjust the programmed sound to a louder level tha n would otherwise be used - so it can be heard over the background. The net result is that the ear is presented with more intense sound tha n would be the case with the background alone.

< /DIV>

Peter Zavon, CIH
Penfield, N Y

PZAVON**At_Symbol_Here**Rochester.rr.com

From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:D CHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of Navneet
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:33 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject : Re: [DCHAS-L] Earbud policy in Labs

In my experience, ear buds are allowed if working with lou d equipment such as vacuum pump. Constant loudness is a safety h azard in itself and can be minimized by use of ear buds for a short time of loud instrument/equipment usage.

Navneet S.

--- On Wed, 10/6/10, Peifer, Patricia &l t;Patricia.Peifer**At_Symbol_Here**WESTPHARMA.COM> wrote:

From: Peifer, Patricia <Patricia.Peifer**At_Symbol_Here**WESTPH ARMA.COM>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Earbud policy in Labs
To: DCHAS-L **At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 11:25 AM

I am not in a teaching or research lab either, but we ban the m as well. Not only for safety reasons but also because of the impres sion it makes when we have client or regulatory agency audits.

From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of Long, Don
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:16 AM
To: DCHAS-L **At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Earbud policy in Labs

We are neither a teaching or a research lab, bu t we do prohibit earbuds in our lab. Folks need to maintain awareness of wh at's going on around them...........

Don A. Long< /I>
< /B>STS, CAIH< /B>
< B>Southwest Research Instit ute Laboratory
Pine Bluff Chemical Agent Disposal Facility
PO Box 20130
White Hall, AR 71612< I>
~~870-541-4930~~

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From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LI ST.UVM.EDU]On Behalf Of Wawzyniecki Jr, Stefan
Sent: Wedne sday, October 06, 2010 9:51 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Sub ject: [DCHAS-L] Earbud policy in Labs

How many of you h ave a policy banning earbuds in laboratories?

Does it apply onl y to Undergrad teaching labs, or does it extend into research labs?

-Stefan Wawzyniec ki

University of Con necticut

The contents of this message are confidential and may be privileged. If you have received this message in error, please permanently delete it, along w ith any files that may be attached to this message, without reading, printi ng, copying, forwarding or otherwise distributing it. Please notify the sen der of the error immediately so that we can prevent it from happening again .

This e-mail transmission, and any of its attachments, may contain info rmation that is confidential and may be privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error , please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you hav e received this communication in error, please reply to the sender immediat ely by reply e-mail and/or by telephone, informing the sender that the mess age was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer sys tem. Thank you.

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