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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:56:21 +0100
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From: Pierre Rouzaud <p.rouzaud**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: GLOVES IN STUDENT LABS
In-Reply-To: <012801cacba4$c5090c20$4f1b2460$**At_Symbol_Here**net>
in past time students never wear gloves,now they do'nt want to wear gloves
but the managers want them to wear gloves because they are afraid with
accidents and court!it is the principe of caution!They do'nt have to touch
powders or solids which can give allergie or dermic reactions,it's differen
t
with glasses that protect them from projections or accidents they can't
preview
Doctor ROUZAUD
Toxicologist
2010/3/24 Michael Hurwitz
> I=92m going to take a middle of the road stance here. I=92ve seen the
=93PhD.
> Chemist who just graduated and forgets to wear gloves and goggles in the
> lab.=94 He also eats in the lab if I=92m not looking.
>
>
>
> The reason new chemists are told to wear gloves often (even for water lab
> work) is that they need to form the habit of using PPE. When they get to
> stage in which PPE is their responsibility, they should be trained to ask
> =93Which PPE do I need?=94
>
>
>
> As for measuring water, remember PPE is not only to protect you from the
> sample, but to protest the sample from you. If you =93pollute=94 the
> experiment, you change the results.
>
>
>
> If budgetary restraints are the concern, I would make sure students bring
> gloves, but leave it up to them to determine whether gloves are necessary
.
> If they show up without any PPE, they can=92t very well consider what is
> necessary. Further, if they determine that gloves are not necessary, the
y
> should be able to defend that conclusion.
>
>
>
> Goggles however, are about habit. There is very rarely a good reason Not
> to wear them.
>
>
>
> This is just how I run my lab, and how I think about these things. My go
al
> is to install a good PPE habit, not just impose rules. Rules without the
> habit are useless anyway.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] *On Behalf
> Of *Dr. Jay A. Young
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:19 PM
>
> *To:* DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [DCHAS-L] GLOVES IN STUDENT LABS
>
>
>
> Thank goodness for at least one person who knows how and when to use glov
es
> properly. Too many so-called safety experts seem to think that when
> handling chemicals it is necessary to wear some kind of gloves.
>
>
>
> Gloves are too clumsy to wear unless their use is absolutely necessary.
>
>
>
> Kay Calhoun is EXACTLY RIGHT, bless your heart, Kay.
>
>
>
> Jay Young
>
> ************************
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Rita Kay Calhoun
>
> *To:* DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 08, 2010 2:20 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [DCHAS-L] GLOVES IN STUDENT LABS
>
>
>
> Would one of you please explain to me the dermal hazard
> associated with determining the volume of a drop of water? Or perhaps th
e
> density of a saline solution? As I said in my original response there is
> guidance given to the students in their risk assessment. And if their
> assessment is inadequate, there is =93You will wear gloves, period=94. W
hen
> students understand, they are much more likely to comply. When they see
the
> rules as simply something People-in-Authority impose because they=92re in
> authority and want control, the students try to get away with not
> complying. I do teach your children safety. I also try to teach them to
> think. The most important safety rule you can learn is to think.
> Everything else flows from that.
>
>
>
> Kay Calhoun
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] *On Behalf
> Of *Moorefield, Mubetcel
> *Sent:* Monday, March 08, 2010 7:44 AM
> *To:* DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [DCHAS-L] GLOVES IN STUDENT LABS
>
>
>
> I am surprised to see there is even a discussion of whether to ask the
> students to wear gloves or not. That is probably why even the chemists w
ho
> graduate with PhD in chemistry have hard time following those simple
> safety rules when they get a job in the industry.
>
>
>
> As teaching profession, I would expect you to teach my child how to be sa
fe
> in a lab as well as how to set up a reaction. It should be part of the
> teaching curriculum. I am pretty sure you are teaching them not to pour
> hazardous chemicals down the drain so the environment doesn't get hurt.
Why
> would you question if it is necessary to teach them not to hurt
> themselves? Discussion of recovering the cost should be a separate issue
.
>
>
>
> Mubetcel
>
>
>
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> *From:* DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] *On Behalf
> Of *Kennedy, Sheila
> *Sent:* Friday, March 05, 2010 6:32 PM
> *To:* DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
> *Subject:* [DCHAS-L] GLOVES IN STUDENT LABS
>
> As the staff of the Chemistry & Biochemistry Teaching Labs, we have been
> asked to propose ideas for saving money, as budgets are only getting tigh
ter
> over the next few years. One idea proposed is that we stop providing glov
es
> ad lib. to students, but have them buy & bring their own. We currently
> supply either nitrile or PVC examination (thin, single-use) gloves in our
> labs.
>
> Do you provide/require gloves for student labs?
>
>
>
> *Sheila *
>
> --
> Sheila M. Kennedy, CHO
> Safety Coordinator
> Chemistry & Biochemistry Teaching Laboratories
> University of California, San Diego
> (858) 534-0221
>
>
>
>
in past time students never wear gloves,now they do'nt want to wear glo
ves but the managers want them to wear gloves because they are afraid=A0 wi
th accidents and court!it is the principe of caution!They do'nt have to
touch powders or solids which can give allergie or dermic reactions,it'
;s different with glasses that protect them from projections or accidents t
hey can't preview
Doctor ROUZAUD
Toxicologist
2010/3/24
Michael Hurwitz
<Tesl
a**At_Symbol_Here**lmi.net>
I=92m going
to take a middle
of the road stance here.=A0 I=92ve seen the =93PhD. Chemist who just
graduated and forgets to wear gloves and goggles in the lab.=94=A0 He
also eats in the lab if I=92m not looking.
=A0<
/p>
The reason
new chemists are told
to wear gloves often (even for water lab work) is that they need to form th
e
habit of using PPE.=A0 When they get to stage in which PPE is their respons
ibility,
they should be trained to ask =93Which PPE do I need?=94
=A0<
/p>
As for meas
uring water, remember
PPE is not only to protect you from the sample, but to protest the sample f
rom you.=A0
If you =93pollute=94 the experiment, you change the results.
=A0<
/p>
If budgetar
y restraints are the
concern, I would make sure students bring gloves, but leave it up to them t
o
determine whether gloves are necessary.=A0 If they show up without any PPE,
they can=92t very well consider what is necessary.=A0 Further, if they
determine that gloves are not necessary, they should be able to defend that
conclusion.
=A0<
/p>
Goggles how
ever, are about
habit.=A0 There is very rarely a good reason Not to wear them.
=A0<
/p>
This is jus
t how I run my lab,
and how I think about these things.=A0 My goal is to install a good PPE
habit, not just impose rules.=A0 Rules without the habit are useless anyway
.
=A0<
/p>
Cheers,
Mike
=A0<
/p>
=A0<
/p>
From:
DCHAS-L Discussion
List [mailto:DCHA
S-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of Dr. Jay A. Young
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:19 PMSubject: Re: [DCHAS-L] GLOVE
S IN STUDENT LABS
=A0
Thank
goodness for at least one person who knows how and when to use gloves
properly.=A0 Too many so-called safety experts seem to think that when
handling chemicals it is necessary to wear some kind of gloves.
Gloves
are too clumsy to wear unless their use is absolutely necessary.
Kay
Calhoun is EXACTLY RIGHT, bless your heart, Kay.
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Monday, March 08,
2010 2:20 PM
Subject:<
/b> Re: [DCHAS-L] GLOVES
IN STUDENT LABS
=A0=A0=A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
Would one of you please explain to me the dermal hazard associated with
determining the volume of a drop of water?=A0 Or perhaps the density of a
saline solution?=A0 As I said in my original response there is guidance
given to the students in their risk assessment.=A0 And if their assessment
is inadequate, there is =93You will wear gloves, period=94.=A0 When
students understand, they are much more likely to comply.=A0 When they see
the rules as simply something People-in-Authority impose because they=92re
in authority and want control, the students try to get away with not
complying.=A0 I do teach your children safety.=A0 I also try to teach
them to think.=A0 The most important safety rule you can learn is to
think.=A0 Everything else flows from that.
=A0<
/p>
Kay Calhoun
=A0<
/p>
=A0<
/p>
=A0<
/p>
=A0
I am s
urprised to see there is even a discussion of whether to ask
the students to wear gloves or not.=A0 That is probably why even the
chemists who graduate with PhD in chemistry have hard time following=A0thos
e
simple safety=A0rules when they get a job in the industry.
=A0
As tea
ching profession, I would expect you to teach my child how to
be safe in a lab as well as how to set up a reaction.=A0 It should be part
of the teaching curriculum.=A0 I am pretty sure you are teaching them not t
o
pour hazardous chemicals down the drain so the environment doesn't get
hurt.=A0 Why would you question if it=A0 is necessary to teach them not
to hurt themselves?=A0 Discussion of recovering the cost should be a
separate issue.
=A0
Mubetc
el
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From: DCHAS-L Di
scussion List
[mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**l
ist.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of Kennedy, Sheila
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 6:32 PM
To: DCHAS-
L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: [DCHAS-L] GLOVES IN STUDENT LABS
As the staff of the Chemistry
& Biochemistry
Teaching Labs, we have been asked to propose ideas for saving money, as bud
gets
are only getting tighter over the next few years. One idea proposed is that
we
stop providing gloves ad lib. to students, but have them buy & bring th
eir
own. We currently supply either nitrile or PVC examination (thin, single-us
e)
gloves in our labs.
Do you provide/require gloves
for student labs?
=A0
Sheila
--
Sheila M. Kennedy, CHO
Safety Coordinator
Chemistry & Biochemistry Teaching Laboratories
University of California, San Diego
(858) 534-0221
=A0
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