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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:36:55 -0800
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From: Eric Clark <erclark**At_Symbol_Here**PH.LACOUNTY.GOV>
Subject: Re: GLOVES IN STUDENT LABS
In-Reply-To: <4B94EF09.1C4E.0091.0**At_Symbol_Here**ph.lacounty.gov>
Clarification on the student-responses request (mi culpa):
When you need to remind students to use required PPE, please tell me some
of your students' one-line excuses that you've heard, such as "The lenses
fog up" or "I can't work with gloves on" or other things students might
retort. I'll compile the list and pass it along.
Thanks, Eric
Eric Clark, MS, CCHO, CHMM
Safety & Compliance Officer
Los Angeles County Public Health Laboratory
>>> Eric Clark 3/8/2010 12:34 PM >>>
Interesting discussion.
I'd like to compile a list of excuses we've all heard when chemistry
laboratory students choose not to comply with the instructor's safety
precautions. Like many of us, I taught General Chemistry for several
years and I've heard plenty of memorable student responses.
My favorite: "Why you always hassling me!?!?"
Just reply to me on this, with a one-liner - not the entire group - and
I'll share the results in a day or so.
Thanks, Eric
Eric Clark, MS, CCHO, CHMM
Safety & Compliance Officer
Los Angeles County Public Health Laboratory
>>> Rita Kay Calhoun 3/8/2010 10:20 AM >>>
Would one of you please explain to me the dermal hazard associated with
determining the volume of a drop of water? Or perhaps the density of a
saline solution? As I said in my original response there is guidance
given to the students in their risk assessment. And if their assessment
is inadequate, there is "You will wear gloves, period". When students
understand, they are much more likely to comply. When they see the rules
as simply something People-in-Authority impose because they're in
authority and want control, the students try to get away with not
complying. I do teach your children safety. I also try to teach them to
think. The most important safety rule you can learn is to think.
Everything else flows from that.
Kay Calhoun
From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of
Moorefield, Mubetcel
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:44 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] GLOVES IN STUDENT LABS
I am surprised to see there is even a discussion of whether to ask the
students to wear gloves or not. That is probably why even the chemists
who graduate with PhD in chemistry have hard time following those simple
safety rules when they get a job in the industry.
As teaching profession, I would expect you to teach my child how to be
safe in a lab as well as how to set up a reaction. It should be part of
the teaching curriculum. I am pretty sure you are teaching them not to
pour hazardous chemicals down the drain so the environment doesn't get
hurt. Why would you question if it is necessary to teach them not to
hurt themselves? Discussion of recovering the cost should be a separate
issue.
Mubetcel
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Kennedy, Sheila
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 6:32 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: [DCHAS-L] GLOVES IN STUDENT LABS
As the staff of the Chemistry & Biochemistry Teaching Labs, we have been
asked to propose ideas for saving money, as budgets are only getting
tighter over the next few years. One idea proposed is that we stop
providing gloves ad lib. to students, but have them buy & bring their own.
We currently supply either nitrile or PVC examination (thin, single-use)
gloves in our labs.
Do you provide/require gloves for student labs?
Sheila
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Sheila M. Kennedy, CHO
Safety Coordinator
Chemistry & Biochemistry Teaching Laboratories
University of California, San Diego
(858) 534-0221
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