Some NASA grants include very specific and comprehensive safety requirement s that ask for a safety department signoff before $$$ are released. Perhaps there are other examples out there? Kathy Benedict -----Original Message----- From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU] On Behalf Of Li st Moderator Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:39 AM To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: [DCHAS-L] 3 Re: [DCHAS-L] OSHA Lab Standard Effectiveness From: chemsafety**At_Symbol_Here**VERIZON.NET Re: [DCHAS-L] OSHA Lab Standard Effectiveness To everybody, Maybe, as somebody has already pointed out, the problem is with the grantors? We need to insist that NSF and other major granting agencies require that proposals include a discussion of foreseen safety issues and the precautionary measures that will be taken as a consequence. The ACS has a powerful voice and we therefore need first to persuade the Board of Directors of the ACS that this is an important issue which MUST be addressed. Maybe the CHAS Councilors need to get on the horn at Council meetings? Jay Young === From: davidbunzow**At_Symbol_Here**COMCAST.NET Re: [DCHAS-L] OSHA Lab Standard Effectiveness In most of the posts I've read thus far, there seems to be a sense of the adversarial them vs. us in safety. I find this strange when we are talking about the potential adverse impacts on people, programs and institutions. One of the better tools that has not brought it into the discussions thus far - and that could potentially be a positive benefit to all - is OSHA's General Duty Clause and how each of the three "factions" would apply it to laboratory safety. I'm aware OSHA only applies to employers and their employees, but I guess I missed the memo where it was determined that concern for welfare and the right to a workplace free of risky hazards doesn't apply morally to us all. Having spent considerable time in industry, academia and now government labs, I can find/confirm that these organizations are all over the safety spectrum when it comes to their safety culture. And I must say that I wholeheartedly agree with Neal's intent. But I suspect that fundamental change in safety culture is sorely needed in the majority of academic labs and their inhabitants - and this is just not supported by many academic administrations who see safety as just an add-on rather than an integrated part of learning and research involving human beings. I would be interested to hear what others think about this aspect of safety culture and accountability. David === From: Paul Sonnenfeld, CPEARe: [DCHAS-L] OSHA Lab Standard Effectiveness Two quick observations; 1) if you want an incentive for safe lab practices, I suggest posting pictures of the researchers' and technicians' families or significant others (preferably poster-size) on the walls of the lab. These not too subtle reminders may help folks to practice safety AND prepare the risk assessment prior to initiating the investigation. By so doing the researchers and technicians may be alive at the end of the day and therefore have an opportunity to hug the folks in the pictures. 2) Having a CHP is absolutely worthless if lab personnel are not trained in the aspects and limitations of the CHP. At the minimum, an annual critical review of the CHP is necessary to ensure that the document still has value. Paul Sonnenfeld, CPEA
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