Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:21:18 -0500
Reply-To: Anne Skinner <Anne.R.Skinner**At_Symbol_Here**WILLIAMS.EDU>
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From: Anne Skinner <Anne.R.Skinner**At_Symbol_Here**WILLIAMS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Need Your Opinion on Safety Issues
In-Reply-To: <p06010226bf96a1ff62d5**At_Symbol_Here**[192.168.2.4]>

Just my $.02 -- our safety program specifically says that although we 
are not required to enforce OSHA standards on students, we will do so 
as a matter of policy.  I agree that saying 'OSHA doesn't make us' 
would cut very little ice if something happened.

Anne Skinner

>>To all concerned:
>>
>>Sorry, but Rob Toreki's helpful suggestions do NOT apply to students.
>>That is, the OSHA regulations, even the lab standard cannot be enforced
>>on students.  It applies in an enforceable manner only to paid employees.
>>  so, as Rob correctly suggests, the male and female professors and TA's
>>are to wear pants, but as far as OSHA is concerned, the kiddies may wear
>>whatever they like.
>
>Yes, students are not covered under OSHA  - I didn't mean to create 
>the impression that students are covered, although it appears that I 
>may have.  From the risk assessment, regulations and best practices 
>I enumerated I was making the case that they SHOULD apply.  Thanks 
>for that fine point, as it's an important distinction and a very key 
>point.
>
>Profs and TA's that are employees at private universities do fall 
>under OSHA (state or federal depending on whether you're in a State 
>Plan state), of course.  State employees will vary, of course.
>
>Imagine the field day that an attorney would have if one's students 
>weren't required to meet the same level of PPE that the instructors 
>were.... "Gee, Dr. Devious, isn't it true that YOU are required by 
>law to have [insert PPE here] when you work in the lab but you 
>didn't feel it necessary to offer that same protection to your 
>student who was so horribly [insert string of gory adjectives] 
>[insert list of injuries, real and claimed]"
>
>Rob
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Dr. Anne Skinner
Chemistry Department, Williams College
47 Lab Campus Drive
Williamstown, MA 01267

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